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Vrt For Imported Cars, Definitive Explanation

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
There has been total and absolute confusion w.r.t. the VRT rate to be applied to imports. This resulted in the Dept of Environment changing the Motor Tax system so the new Annual Motor Tax rates will only apply to cars first registered after 01st January 2008, whether in Ireland or elsewhere. The VRT system, as announced in the last Budget, will remain unchanged.

For Imports, please read the following, from www.revenue.ie
QUOTE Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT)
Change to the Tax Base
Current Tax Regime

Before 1 July 2008 VRT on passenger cars (category A vehicles) is charged as a percentage of the Open Market Selling Price (OMSP) of the car. The percentage is dependent on the engine size of the vehicle, with bigger cars paying a higher rate of VRT. All cars fit into one of three rates as follows:
Category Engine Size Rate
A1 Cars up to 1,400cc 22.5% of OMSP
A2 Cars 1,401 to 1,900cc 25% of OMSP
A3 Cars over 1,900cc 30% of OMSP

A minimum of €315, is payable regardless of the VRT rate charged on a vehicle.

New Tax Regime

From 1 July 2008, VRT payable on category A vehicles will no longer be based on the engine size but rather on the level of CO2 emissions from the car. Linking the VRT rates to the level CO2 emissions will mean that individuals purchasing cleaner, low emission cars will pay less VRT while those opting to purchase higher emitting vehicles will pay more.

A seven-band CO2 emission system will apply. VRT will now be charged as a percentage of the OMSP in accordance with the following table:
CO2 Emissions (CO2g/km) VRT Rates
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP
More than 120g/km up to and including140g/km 16% of OMSP
More than 140g/km up to and including 155g/km 20% of OMSP
More than 155g/km up to and including 170g/km 24% of OMSP
More than 170g/km up to and including 190g/km 28% of OMSP
More than 190g/km up to and including 225g/km 32% of OMSP
More than 225g/km 36% of OMSP

The new system of taxation will be applicable to new and imported category A vehicles.

As the new VRT rates differ from the current rates, the new regime is likely to impact on the VRT to be paid on all passenger cars registered after 1 July 2008. Thereafter, cars with lower CO2 emissions will have their VRT rates reduced. Reductions can be expected across the range of lower emitting vehicles. At the other end of the scale, larger, luxury and high performance models with higher CO2 emissions will be subjected to an increase in the VRT charged.

Implementation.

New Vehicles

Before a new model is put on sale in Europe, it must undergo a series of tests to ensure that it has achieved approved standards regarding safety, environmental impact, etc. This process is called Type Approval and each car achieving the approved standards is issued with a Certificate of Conformity. A distributor or main dealer must have a Certificate of Conformity for each vehicle that is sold. This certificate contains technical information about the vehicle, including information relating to the level of CO2 emissions. This level will determine the rate at which VRT will be charged. For customers who buy a car through a dealer or distributor, there will be no change in the registration procedures, as the car will be registered on their behalf by the dealer or distributor.

If a customer wishes to import and register a new car privately, then the level of CO2 emissions must be declared on the VRT3 form. The Certificate of Conformity showing the level of CO2 (located at point 46) must be presented with the VRT3 form at the time of registration.

Imported Second-Hand Vehicles

When an imported second-hand vehicle is presented for registration, the levels of CO2 emissions at the time of manufacture must be declared to Revenue on form VRT4 (the form used by an individual to register a second hand car).

If the vehicle originated within the EU, the declaration must be supported by documentary evidence confirming the level of CO2 emissions of the vehicle to the satisfaction of Revenue.

Revenue will accept a range of documentation for this purpose. Among the documents deemed satisfactory at present are:

* the Certificate of Conformity (if it is available),
* a printout from the Revenue ROS Enquiry System where the level of CO2 emissions is shown www.ros.ie Opens in a new window
* evidence included on a previous registration document e.g. the UK V5,
* the level of CO2 emissions stated on a previous National Car Test performed elsewhere within the EU provided the CO2 stated is that given at the time of manufacture,
* A print out for the vehicle from the DVLA Opens in a new window (Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency) web site, www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk Opens in a new window
* A printout from the VCA Opens in a new window (Vehicle Certification Agency) web site
* A printout from the SEI Opens in a new window (Sustainable Energy Ireland) website
* A certificate from the manufacturer or main distributor stating the level of CO2 emissions.

If the vehicle originated in Japan, documentary evidence of the level of CO2 emissions will also be required.

The following documentation must be presented with the VRT4:

* Japanese Export Certificates or Japanese Certificates of Cancellation of Motor Vehicle Registration,
* a printout from the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport showing the level of CO2 emissions for the model on the certificate

Revenue are currently reviewing the additional documentation that may be required for vehicles imported from other non EU States e.g. Singapore and the United States.

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No Supporting Documentation

If a vehicle is registered without any supporting documentation VRT will be charged at 36%. Likewise, if for whatever reason, the supporting documentation fails to satisfy Revenue of the level of CO2 emissions for the vehicle, the 36% charge will also apply.

Such a charge is open to appeal through the VRT appeals process. Appeals must be lodged within two months of the payment of VRT. It should be noted that you cannot appeal a VRT charge unless the charge has been paid.

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Hybrid, flexible fuel and electric vehicles

The current relief of 50% reduction of the VRT payable on Hybrid and Flexi Fuel vehicles is withdrawn from 30 June 2008.

A VRT remission up to a maximum of €2,500 will be available on such cars registered between 1 July 2008 and 31 December 2010.

This relief is limited, on a sliding scale, depending on the age of the vehicle. The scale is as follows:
Age of vehicle Maximum amount which may
be remitted or repaid
New vehicle, first registration €2,500
Not a new vehicle but less than 2 years €2,250
2 years or over but less than 3 years €2,000
3 years or over but less than 4 years €1,750
4 years or over but less than 5 years €1,500
5 years or over but less than 6 years €1,250
6 years or over but less than 7 years €1,000
7 years or over but less than 8 years €750
8 years or over but less than 9 years €500
9 years or over but less than 10 years €250
10 years or over Nil

With effect from 1 January 2008 to 31 December 2010, series production electric vehicles and electric motorcycles are exempt from VRT.

Vehicles covered by the remission/repayment

A hybrid electric vehicle is one that uses a combination of an internal combustion engine and an electric motor to derive its motive power. Hybrid electric engine technology benefits the environment by being more fuel-efficient than conventional internal combustion engines, emitting lower levels of harmful pollutants.

A flexible fuel vehicle (FFV) like any conventional petrol/diesel fuelled vehicle has a single fuel tank, fuel system and engine. However, the engine and fuel system are adapted to enable the vehicle to run on a combination of ethanol and petrol. To avail of the remission a vehicles must be a series production vehicle, i.e. not converted post-production; and must be capable of running on at least 85% ethanol and 15% petrol.

An electric vehicle is a vehicle that derives its motive power exclusively from an electric motor.

An electric motorcycle is a vehicle that derives its motive power exclusively from an electric motor.

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Minimum Amounts

The minimum amounts of VRT that will be charged have also changed. Under the old scheme there was a minimum €315.00 charge for all cars regardless of the value. In recognition of the larger number of rates and the wider range from 14% up to 36% a limit for each CO2 band was introduced. The limits are:
VRT Rate Minimum VRT
14% €280
16% €320
20% €400
24% €480
28% €560
32% €640
36% €720

For each rate the limit reflects a car with a value of approximately €2,000.

There is no change for Category B (crew cabs, etc.), Category C (commercial vehicles) or Category M (motorcycles - other than electric motorcycles).

So, in summary, Imports, after July 01st, will be liable for VRT based on CO2 emissions, only. In the absence of CO2 Certs, the VRT rate will be 36% of that imaginary figure the Revenue will pull out of thin air.
 
#2 ·
If I understand this correctly (big if) this is a real kick in the teeth for someone say driving a 2.0 diesel with band C emissions -
the VRT rate for someone importing the same car would fall from 25% to 20%.
Then on top of that they'd be paying €590 tax per year, while the guy who imported would pay €290 tax per year.

Or have I picked this up wrong?
 
#3 ·
Road tax will be calculated by CC for anything pre December 31st 2007.

For cars that were first registered bewteen Jan 1st and Jume 30th 2008 they have the option of cc or co2 based tax.

For cars that were first registered after July1st 2008 it will be co2 only based tax.

So after July 1st if you were importing a 2006 Passat TDI the VRT will be co2 based but road tax will be cc based.
 
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QUOTE (Trevor @ May 8 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Road tax will be calculated by CC for anything pre December 31st 2007.

For cars that were first registered bewteen Jan 1st and Jume 30th 2008 they have the option of cc or co2 based tax.

For cars that were first registered after July1st 2008 it will be co2 only based tax.

So after July 1st if you were importing a 2006 Passat TDI the VRT will be co2 based but road tax will be cc based.

they had this debate on the radio one evening while i was comming home from work and the way they thrassed it out all cars registered from 1st of july will go on the co2 based road tax. even used ones that are imported

they even had the minister on if i remember right, it was a month or two ago,

i have to go and tax me jeep today so i will enquire and see but i was sure of that.

they have the tables on the simi website and its the same story there aswell

still unsure though
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#6 ·
QUOTE (krn1 @ May 8 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If I understand this correctly (big if) this is a real kick in the teeth for someone say driving a 2.0 diesel with band C emissions -
the VRT rate for someone importing the same car would fall from 25% to 20%.
Then on top of that they'd be paying €590 tax per year, while the guy who imported would pay €290 tax per year.

Or have I picked this up wrong?

Yes if they bought the car recently so lets say an April 2008 2.0 diesel will be paying more compared with a August 2008

QUOTE (Trevor @ May 8 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Road tax will be calculated by CC for anything pre December 31st 2007.

For cars that were first registered bewteen Jan 1st and Jume 30th 2008 they have the option of cc or co2 based tax.

For cars that were first registered after July1st 2008 it will be co2 only based tax.

So after July 1st if you were importing a 2006 Passat TDI the VRT will be co2 based but road tax will be cc based.

No this is wrong because as from above:

new regime is likely to impact on the VRT to be paid on all passenger cars registered after 1 July 2008

So does not affect anything older then this, say a 2007 or 1981
 
#7 ·
QUOTE (draycottgirlz @ May 8 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...........

No this is wrong because as from above:

new regime is likely to impact on the VRT to be paid on all passenger cars registered after 1 July 2008

So does not affect anything older then this, say a 2007 or 1981

Trevor is correct.
All cars (apart from classics, i.e. over 30 years old) first registered in Ireland, on or after Jul 01st 2008, will have their VRT calculated on their CO2. Motor Tax rates will depend on the age of the car, i.e. when it was first registered.
 
#8 ·
QUOTE (PGTi @ May 8 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Trevor is correct.
All cars (apart from classics, i.e. over 30 years old) first registered in Ireland, on or after Jul 01st 2008, will have their VRT calculated on their CO2. Motor Tax rates will depend on the age of the car, i.e. when it was first registered.

So are you saying that if I had a diesel 2000 Passat, that I would be better off registering it in Ireland after 1st July 2008?
It would then be cheaper to register and tax?
 
#10 ·
QUOTE (draycottgirlz @ May 8 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So are you saying that if I had a diesel 2000 Passat, that I would be better off registering it in Ireland after 1st July 2008?
It would then be cheaper to register and tax?

If you have a 2000 Passat you need to know it's CO2 emissions level before you can calculate it's VRT rate. For Annual Road tax, it will be cc based, whether you import it now, or in July.

I haven't looked but it seems Manufacturers' certs for CO2 were only issued from 2001 on.
In the absence of a CO2 cert, the VRT percentage will rise from 25% to 36% on a 1.9TDi Passat.

OMSP is currently given at approx €3300, so VRT would rise in the order of €363
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
A 2000 passat will be on the "old" system - ie, based on cc only - nothing got to do with CO2 regardless when you import it

The only change is for cars reg'd from Jan '08 onwards (having the option of old or new system), everything else is unchanged

@ PGTI - cheers for that article
 
#13 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (Tony D @ May 8 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A 2000 passat will be on the "old" system - ie, based on cc only - nothing got to do with CO2 regardless when you import it

The only change is for cars reg'd from Jan '08 onwards (having the option of old or new system), everything else is unchanged

@ PGTI - cheers for that article

It will be co2 based for VRT. As Paul stated unless you can provide co2 emissions data you will be paying 36% VRT on it.

Road tax will remain the same - cc based.

QUOTE If a vehicle is registered without any supporting documentation VRT will be charged at 36%. Likewise, if for whatever reason, the supporting documentation fails to satisfy Revenue of the level of CO2 emissions for the vehicle, the 36% charge will also apply.
 
#14 ·
Ultimately used car prices will be hit, low emission cars will be the worst hit as they will be competing against Uk imports at a reduced VRT rate.

Cars like the current BMW 320d will be hit as the VRT on these cars is reduced to 20% and people trying to sell them second hand will have to reduce the price to compete with the same car imported with a reduced rate of 20% VRT.

A one yr old 320d from july will be the same price as a new 320d for instance.
 
#16 ·
fuck sake. this topic is nothing but swings and roundabouts. first we were sure it was this and then we were sure it was gonna be the old system for pre july 2008 cars and now its back to this. go buy your vr6's and m3's now so.
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this whole thing is one major balls up and the government are reluctant to stem the confusion because they know that while people don't know exactly whats going on they're easier to screw out of a few more quid. robbing bastards. only country in the eu to pay that stupid tax anyway. i'm off to live in england.
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#17 ·
QUOTE (Baza @ May 8 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ultimately used car prices will be hit, low emission cars will be the worst hit as they will be competing against Uk imports at a reduced VRT rate.

Cars like the current BMW 320d will be hit as the VRT on these cars is reduced to 20% and people trying to sell them second hand will have to reduce the price to compete with the same car imported with a reduced rate of 20% VRT.

A one yr old 320d from july will be the same price as a new 320d for instance.

Yeah BMW diesels will be dropping 7-8k in value. Maybe more due to the fact the road tax will be dropping to 150 euro a year on say a 520d SE manual from the current 800 ish euro.
 
#18 ·
QUOTE (Trevor @ May 8 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah BMW diesels will be dropping 7-8k in value. Maybe more due to the fact the road tax will be dropping to 150 euro a year on say a 520d SE manual from the current 800 ish euro.

(Not correcting you, or being pedantic, Trevor)
I think the drop on that car, will be something in the order of €600 to the €150 as you said.

If one takes into consideration the cost of money, at , let's say, 9%, the drop in Annual Motor Tax on that car would equate to the cost of servicing a €5000 loan, so, straight away, the car with the higher motor tax rate would be worth €5000 less.

A new 520d will cost €47k, in July. By my reckoning a 2007 version will only be worth in the order of €35k, up to €15k less than the asking price for the average car today.
 
#19 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (Tony D @ May 8 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A 2000 passat will be on the "old" system - ie, based on cc only - nothing got to do with CO2 regardless when you import it

The only change is for cars reg'd from Jan '08 onwards (having the option of old or new system), everything else is unchanged

@ PGTI - cheers for that article

Thats what I was thinking, rang up our Civil Servants there too to clear it up but they were too busy drinking teas to answer the phone after waiting 10mins!!! (lucky I had it on speaker phone, but no music or anything)

@PGTI ditto
 
#20 ·
QUOTE (PGTi @ May 8 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>(Not correcting you, or being pedantic, Trevor)
I think the drop on that car, will be something in the order of €600 to the €150 as you said.

If one takes into consideration the cost of money, at , let's say, 9%, the drop in Annual Motor Tax on that car would equate to the cost of servicing a €5000 loan, so, straight away, the car with the higher motor tax rate would be worth €5000 less.

A new 520d will cost €47k, in July. By my reckoning a 2007 version will only be worth in the order of €35k, up to €15k less than the asking price for the average car today.

Sure everyone will be buying diesels, for the cheap vrt and tax,

ah poor goverment they will miss out on a fortune
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probably rob us now for the diesel with more tax on it..
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ya seems your right again trevor, just looked at the simi website and its changed since i seen it last,

on used cars, Co2 VRT rates but cc tax system
 
#21 ·
so the price on clearing gti's will go even more through the roof!
 
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QUOTE (chrisy @ Jun 23 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>does anyone know of a site where you can check manufacturer co2 figures for cars? this would help alot in the topic..

http://www.smmt.co.uk/CO2/CO2intro.cfm

http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp

QUOTE Revenue Notice
Finance Act 2008 changes to Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT)

From 1 July 2008 VRT will no longer be based on the engine size but rather on the CO2 emissions from the car. This is a fundamental change in the method of charging VRT and will have an impact on the amount of VRT charged on all new cars on sale in the State and also on second-hand cars imported from abroad. Linking the VRT rates to CO2 emission levels will mean that those purchasing cleaner, low emission cars will pay less VRT while those opting to purchase higher emitting vehicles will pay more.

You can access the following documents and links to other sites:

* VRT legislation as enacted in Finance Act 2008 Opens in a new window (PDF, 37KB)
* Information leaflet on the new VRT system
* FAQs on VRT
* VRT 1- General information effective from 1st July 2008
* Useful links

Useful links

Dept of Finance data

* Budget 2008 Opens in a new window
* Rebalancing VRT taking account of CO2 Emissions Levels Opens in a new window (MS Word)

Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government data

* Annual Motor Tax Rates for new vehicles on or after 1 July 2008 Opens in a new window (MS Word)
* Annual Motor Tax Rates for vehicles registered prior to 1 July 2008 Opens in a new window (MS Word)

List of various web sites used by Revenue in its documents.

* Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency UK (DVLA) Opens in a new window
* Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) Opens in a new window
* Sustainable Energy Ireland (SEI) Opens in a new window
* Revenue Online System - ROS Enquiry System Opens in a new window

It should be noted that the changes in VRT will have no impact on passenger (category A) vehicles already registered in the State as VRT is a once off tax charged on the registration of the vehicle.

The Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is also changing the way in which annual Motor Tax will be charged.Their website can be found @ www.environ.ie Opens in a new window

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#26 ·
I just spoke to a senior customs officer.

The official line he gave me was that as and of the 1st of July all vehicles presented for VRT will be assessed on the basis of their CO2 emissions, in the absence of evidence as to their CO2 the top rate will apply (36%) We all knew that bit anyway.

But I questioned him about motor tax and the official line at the minute is that all vehicles currently here remain as is with the exception of cars registered between the 1st January and 30th June which have the option of switching to the new bands.

Now the confusing and worrying part is that he insisted that any car brought into the state after the 1st of July would be assessed on CO2 for motor tax as well as VRT, so if you can't prove the CO2 its the top band of motor tax too, I specifically asked about mid or early 90's cars imported after 1st July and how it would affect them, again, no CO2 data = top band for both VRT and motor tax.

I wonder if anyone actually has a definitive answer, it seems there is a lot of contradicting information about.