Hello Peeps,
Well after a few weeks of dicking around and investigating hybrid turbos, i am still on the fence, its seems to be a grey area with lots of crazy BHP figures offered from Manufactures but i have yet to come across anybody that has actually achieved these numbers yet along achieved them in a reliable manor.
Hybrids do offer gain's, but the gain VS cost are debatable so i have moved it to number 2 on my shopping list now and decided to tackle my IAT's as this really is the deciding factor in making good consistent power.
In these hot summer months my engine bay is in effect a heat sponge and no amount off hybrids, high flow mani's, FMIC, CAI's is ever going to get around that fact, sure i can use heat wraps on the downpipe etc…but with minimal impact, hell i might as well strap an air scoop to the bonnet too.
I did a small test today to see how the car was in the hot weather and how my FMIC was coping. I went for a spirited drive in a law abiding manor, mixture of driving, stop/go and open road, all in all about 30minutes. So i pulled up at the side of the road and whipped out my Thermal gun to measure the temps of the various IC piping on the cold side of the cooler, My cooler was working efficiently, the outside air temp was 24c that was display on the dash, the surface temp of the pipe on the cold side of the cooler was 28c but by the time it reached the Throttle body because of the engine bay temps had reached a surface temp of 48c with the IAT reading 37c.I know these are only surface temps of the pipe work but heat tends to conduct itself pretty well, pardon the pun and is a good example of how things heat up in this weather and how the IC can only really cope to a certain degree(all these puns, LOL) given the warm ambient air temps.
This has lead me to my new project to tide me over (while I further justify the hybrid conversion costs in my head), WMI or better know as Water-Methanol injection, People are seeing good results with this process because of the cooling affects and octane boost that it can give you. To be honest it is the only real way I will be able to get a good grip on my IAT's and depending on what mixture i run(probably 50/50 water/meth) i should also seen a good jump in power, no huge, but good reliable power, which is what i am after. The websites as usual give crazy figures, 25-35% power increase, "You must buy this" blah blah, as always i am suspicious of these laboratory claims but nevertheless do see its potential.
This is the kit I ordered today from the US, Its the Devils Own DVC-30 Stage 2 kit, http://www.alcohol-injection.com/dvc-30-stage-2-305.html, I went with this kit for 3 reasons, a high PSI pump(not a pulse type, aka vibrator effect), a boost tap so I don't need to wire into my MAP sensor and it offers a progressive controller so I can adjust the spray pressure to match my boost curve, rather than the all or nothing that some kits out there offer. I also bought some upgrades with it and delivered only came to about $480 which is great value for money for the potential of what it could actually do for me. Initially I will be looking to getting cold IAT's, then when i get to grips with the system I will be advancing the timing where possible as at the moment in the hot weather timing pull and EGT's are robbing me of power, another RR will defo be on the cards to see the results and maybe another remap( hope you have the new blowers working Joe)
Anyway as i don't seem to see much info on vagdrivers about WMI I thought I would start this thread with the intent to do a small review plus a install guide of how I get on.
Sorry for the long post, i felt like sharing tonight and here is some info about WMI http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=937176 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_%28engines%29
Well after a few weeks of dicking around and investigating hybrid turbos, i am still on the fence, its seems to be a grey area with lots of crazy BHP figures offered from Manufactures but i have yet to come across anybody that has actually achieved these numbers yet along achieved them in a reliable manor.
Hybrids do offer gain's, but the gain VS cost are debatable so i have moved it to number 2 on my shopping list now and decided to tackle my IAT's as this really is the deciding factor in making good consistent power.
In these hot summer months my engine bay is in effect a heat sponge and no amount off hybrids, high flow mani's, FMIC, CAI's is ever going to get around that fact, sure i can use heat wraps on the downpipe etc…but with minimal impact, hell i might as well strap an air scoop to the bonnet too.
I did a small test today to see how the car was in the hot weather and how my FMIC was coping. I went for a spirited drive in a law abiding manor, mixture of driving, stop/go and open road, all in all about 30minutes. So i pulled up at the side of the road and whipped out my Thermal gun to measure the temps of the various IC piping on the cold side of the cooler, My cooler was working efficiently, the outside air temp was 24c that was display on the dash, the surface temp of the pipe on the cold side of the cooler was 28c but by the time it reached the Throttle body because of the engine bay temps had reached a surface temp of 48c with the IAT reading 37c.I know these are only surface temps of the pipe work but heat tends to conduct itself pretty well, pardon the pun and is a good example of how things heat up in this weather and how the IC can only really cope to a certain degree(all these puns, LOL) given the warm ambient air temps.
This has lead me to my new project to tide me over (while I further justify the hybrid conversion costs in my head), WMI or better know as Water-Methanol injection, People are seeing good results with this process because of the cooling affects and octane boost that it can give you. To be honest it is the only real way I will be able to get a good grip on my IAT's and depending on what mixture i run(probably 50/50 water/meth) i should also seen a good jump in power, no huge, but good reliable power, which is what i am after. The websites as usual give crazy figures, 25-35% power increase, "You must buy this" blah blah, as always i am suspicious of these laboratory claims but nevertheless do see its potential.
This is the kit I ordered today from the US, Its the Devils Own DVC-30 Stage 2 kit, http://www.alcohol-injection.com/dvc-30-stage-2-305.html, I went with this kit for 3 reasons, a high PSI pump(not a pulse type, aka vibrator effect), a boost tap so I don't need to wire into my MAP sensor and it offers a progressive controller so I can adjust the spray pressure to match my boost curve, rather than the all or nothing that some kits out there offer. I also bought some upgrades with it and delivered only came to about $480 which is great value for money for the potential of what it could actually do for me. Initially I will be looking to getting cold IAT's, then when i get to grips with the system I will be advancing the timing where possible as at the moment in the hot weather timing pull and EGT's are robbing me of power, another RR will defo be on the cards to see the results and maybe another remap( hope you have the new blowers working Joe)
Anyway as i don't seem to see much info on vagdrivers about WMI I thought I would start this thread with the intent to do a small review plus a install guide of how I get on.
Sorry for the long post, i felt like sharing tonight and here is some info about WMI http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=937176 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_%28engines%29
