spot on unions couldn give a fuck about private sector workers, dispute going on here at the mo,
and all unite wanna do is sell us out, and ther were upset there wasn that big of a turn out for there march, why should i march for some public sector fuck whos milking the system and will still have a job next year when mines gone, unions are afraid of them!!!

 

Not sure on this but I think the social welfare for under 23s is dropping by 20%, roughly 40 quid.. Not sure what's happening with public service pay bill but if 2 weeks unpaid holidays is going to save 13,000,000,000 bucks, we are definately paying them too much me thinks? Teachers have been told it will be 2 weeks in the summer, which will eat into their 3 month holidays, and nurses on a 3 day week will have to take a month off?? Not the way to go IMO

 

from what i have been told garry its dropping for everyone but under 23's will be on half rate,same as whats there for under 20's straight out of school now. hope its like u say and just a small drop but even still its not on.

tbh if its not a pay cut its not good enough, i could imagine saying to my job no we wont take a pay cut but we'll take 12days unpayed....we'd be told to F**k off.

 

SPOT ON RAZOR, were do they think were gonna get the 8 billion were in the red for! there over paid and treated way to well, teachers have a tough job i know but for fuck sake 3 months hols and nearly a thousand a week, what a joke!!

 

QUOTE (razor @ Dec 2 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>from what i have been told garry its dropping for everyone but under 23's will be on half rate,same as whats there for under 20's straight out of school now. hope its like u say and just a small drop but even still its not on.

tbh if its not a pay cut its not good enough, i could imagine saying to my job no we wont take a pay cut but we'll take 12days unpayed....we'd be told to F**k off.

a leaked report in the media yesterday stated 20% for under 23yr olds, skool leavers will start off on 50%, childrens allowance is being cut, pensions left alone and taxes staying the same, it was probably just a draft report but I reckon it's not far off the mark..

I think fas should be scraped as they are doing fook all at all, and judging by my dealings with the social welfare they very much prefer you to sit at home scratching your sack than going to college trying to further yourself, eg I have being in college the last 3 months, I only got the back to education allowance yesterday, I was told to leave college and sign back on 4 times, once by a phone call at 5pm 2 days before one of my exams.. After 20 odd days of queing, meetings, forms for this, forms for that, letters from my college, phone calls from the principal, I finaly got it but they could stop it tomorrow, it's a fooking joke tbh..

 

If they can afford to take days off then abviously they're not needed in the capacity they're being paid. But the government won't cut head count, which they fundamentally need to do.

they won't save anywhere near the money they need to say either. It's not the government that are running the show, it's the unions, simple as.

I think they're also missing the point that the government are their employer... and they're nearly bankrupt and not able to pay wages etc. Only 1 thing to do, cut costs and head count.

Let them strike if they want to - and i hope they freeze!!!

 

QUOTE (babyface @ Dec 2 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not sure on this but I think the social welfare for under 23s is dropping by 20%, roughly 40 quid.. Not sure what's happening with public service pay bill but if 2 weeks unpaid holidays is going to save 13,000,000,000 bucks, we are definately paying them too much me thinks? Teachers have been told it will be 2 weeks in the summer, which will eat into their 3 month holidays, and nurses on a 3 day week will have to take a month off?? Not the way to go IMO

They may have to take 12 days enforced unpaid leave, but will work overtime to 'get the work done'.

Bullshit, the whole thing.

 

I think the public sector should bite the bullet and take a 10% pay cut (anyone over say 30 a 40k a year).. I reckon if the don't and go down the 12 unpaid days route it will be a farce, 300,000 people all taking different days off, sure they will have to employe more people just to administer that? And sure they could all take the same day off which would effectively be 12 strikes or days of action a yr? Don't think it's the way to go tbh..

 

 

Its hard to weigh up.

There is allot of deadwood in the publin sector that needs clearing out but there are allot of hard working people. The problem lies at the top of the public sector. Big bucks been paid to chiefs that arent capable of wiping their own arse never mind cracking the wip. The indians of the public sector are a bi-product of bad management which stems all the way back to the government!!
Reduce the wages of the higher paid not the lower paid. 12 days unpaid will be a disaster to services not to mention moral. The public service workers have been sold out by their unions, like a false economy savings wont be made and the fallout from less workers guards, nurses ect will impact everyone PS workers represent, US!!

 

QUOTE (pete @ Dec 2 2009, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but for fuck sake 3 months hols and nearly a thousand a week, what a joke!!

With all respect pete, do you really believe teachers get nearly a thousand a week? Sorry lad, but maybe if you have been teaching for 20 years? Christ i get a little more than that every 2 weeks!!! Get a grip.

Fair enough, there are plenty of teachers with that experience but i am 5 years working in a disadvantaged school where the 80% are under 30-35 years of age. We can keep the experienced teachers because of the shite we deal with here.

Overtime is unpaid as a teacher, but some people tend to think its fairly normal for us to be paid for it.

No defending some of the wages of public servants, informing you of other situations out there.

 

I actualy think teachers are getting a bad deal tbh, everyone else in the public sector can have 2 weeks off when they want, but teachers will have to take them off in the summer holiday period! And making emergency workers take time off will only impact us? It make no sense to mess with education or health as it will only cost more in the long run..

As for public pay, the average wage is/was 35k, any public servant on more should face cuts.. And a cap of say 100k should apply too..

 

what a fucking joke this country is!!!!

 

Ah this is a complete joke. Cowen, go away and put your hand down your pants and find your balls! Cut the f*cking pay pure and simple, we can't afford it. Why are they still talking?!

Everyone going around saying this shouldn't be cut and that shouldn't be cut, fact is we can't afford it. If the people in the public sector don't like it they they're free to find another job, aka emigrate like everyone else is doing. This shite that they're doing tough jobs as well then, get real, ye chose the profession! We didn't put a gun to your heads and make ye become Nurses, Gards or whatever. Everyone knows the pay and conditions of whatever job they get into, don't throw the toys out of the pram now coz it's not going the way ye want.

 

QUOTE (brianog @ Dec 2 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If the people in the public sector don't like it they they're free to find another job, aka emigrate like everyone else is doing. This shite that they're doing tough jobs as well then, get real, ye chose the profession! We didn't put a gun to your heads and make ye become Nurses, Gards or whatever. Everyone knows the pay and conditions of whatever job they get into,

Brian, i agree whole heartily, we chose to take the public service jobs at a time when the country was booming and we knew the rates of pay and the job security we would have but now that the amount of people unemployed is at its highest ever and the tax take is down, I should pay? I have and am paying for this with cuts already implemented. I have no problem doing my share but it needs to be spread evenly with those public servants who are earning outrageous and astromnomical salaries.

Everyone knows the pay and conditions of whatever job they get into

Well all i'll say to that is, it works both ways for public and private workers.....

 

QUOTE (babyface @ Dec 2 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I actualy think teachers are getting a bad deal tbh, everyone else in the public sector can have 2 weeks off when they want, but teachers will have to take them off in the summer holiday period!
Of course no matter what you do or who you work for, no one wants a drop in income.
But Id have trouble trying to remember the high no. of teachers I met, most of whom were in theyre 20s early 30s, who were out in Oz and Nz for 2 months, bragging on how they were getting paid while we all slaved for the day over there!

I think it all comes back to the original problem for most high or low income public & private workers, they over borrowed in the good times, and now theyre backs to the wall (or union as the case may be), trying not to dip below the line of being unable to repay for the borrowing.
Sucks ya, but every individual is responsible for the debt they create.

Looks like Aer Lingus is getting the job qualliotine again, now that situation, I really dont understand, pilots and crew not giving in to pay cuts, but will allow fellow employees to be made redundant in return.

 

tbh theres no defending the public sector at this stage in my mind, there unions are prepared to bleed the country dry of what ever little money we have left just so they dont have to take a pay cut. what part of theres no money we cant pay you do these people not get?? in the real world if that was the case your job would be gone.

it doesnt work both ways for public and private sector!!! when u go in to the civil service its viewed as a job for life and a hefty pension at the end. not many jobs like that in the private sector.

i just walked by the post office in clarehall and the Que for dole is out the door and into the car park with people from all walks of life who WILL be taking a pay cut to keep the civil service happy......boils my blood.

 

QUOTE (razor @ Dec 2 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>tbh theres no defending the public sector at this stage in my mind, there unions are prepared to bleed the country dry of what ever little money we have left just so they dont have to take a pay cut. what part of theres no money we cant pay you do these people not get?? in the real world if that was the case your job would be gone.

it doesnt work both ways for public and private sector!!! when u go in to the civil service its viewed as a job for life and a hefty pension at the end. not many jobs like that in the private sector.

i just walked by the post office in clarehall and the Que for dole is out the door and into the car park with people from all walks of life who WILL be taking a pay cut to keep the civil service happy......boils my blood.

i completely agree with you there,its a joke,i got made redundant back in march and its not nice the should be happy they have a job,if they were on the dole theyd be doing some bitching,i get fuck all from the dole but can you imagine if i went down to them and protested theyd call the gaurds.

 

QUOTE (villian02 @ Dec 2 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Brian, i agree whole heartily, we chose to take the public service jobs at a time when the country was booming and we knew the rates of pay and the job security we would have but now that the amount of people unemployed is at its highest ever and the tax take is down, I should pay? I have and am paying for this with cuts already implemented. I have no problem doing my share but it needs to be spread evenly with those public servants who are earning outrageous and astromnomical salaries.

I agree totally with you there that a pay cut has to spread evenly but listening to the union leaders, they don't want ANY pays cuts! That's the joke as far as I'm concerned.

QUOTE (villian02 @ Dec 2 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Everyone knows the pay and conditions of whatever job they get into

Well all i'll say to that is, it works both ways for public and private workers.....

It does work both ways, and now private sector lads are being made redundant at a crazy rate, the country can't pay your wages so you can't expect not to have wages reduced. It doesn't make sense, if the wages went up in the good times, then they should come back down in the bad times.

 

QUOTE (Oakgreen @ Dec 2 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i completely agree with you there,its a joke,i got made redundant back in march and its not nice the should be happy they have a job,if they were on the dole theyd be doing some bitching,i get fuck all from the dole but can you imagine if i went down to them and protested theyd call the gaurds.

Its harsh that you were made redundant, that sucks!
But think back to March, would you let your employer take pay cut after pay cut out of your wage and that you'd say thats grand no bother sure I have a job, work away there boss man.

The public sector (regular joe soap teacher, nurses, guards) has taken cuts, they'd like to see cuts being made elsewhere than their own paypackets, fair enough.
Its the people in the public sector who are really high up in it that need to get their high rate of pay cut more so than the regular joe soap. Some of my friends are teachers, they graduated in 2005 and are now making less after 5 years working than what they were in the first year out. Politicians should all be taking a huge pay cut in my opinion.

People are pointing out that teachers are getting paid for the holidays i.e. June, July and August. This is tecnically not the case, what happens is the salary they get for 9 teaching months is divided up and paid over 12 months of the year.

To some who have said that there wasn't a gun pointed to teachers and nurses heads, I agree there wasn't a gun in sight they choose their profession and fair play to them for doing so. Every country needs its education system, health system and law & order. Teaching and Nursing aren't the easiest of professions in the public sector, they went into public sector when there was so much more money to be made in the private sector.
People who chose the private sector ye knew what you were getting into in terms of job security, you risked it for the good wages and lack of long term security.

Teachers wages didn't go up a huge amount during the boom times, there wasn't exactly parity.

 

I Believe if you were trading as a sole trader and out of work now you get approx 39euro per week, 39euro! Oh the joys.........

 

QUOTE (sonyaquinn @ Dec 2 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Its harsh that you were made redundant, that sucks!
But think back to March, would you let your employer take pay cut after pay cut out of your wage and that you'd say thats grand no bother sure I have a job, work away there boss man.

The public sector (regular joe soap teacher, nurses, guards) has taken cuts, they'd like to see cuts being made elsewhere than their own paypackets, fair enough.
Its the people in the public sector who are really high up in it that need to get their high rate of pay cut more so than the regular joe soap. Some of my friends are teachers, they graduated in 2005 and are now making less after 5 years working than what they were in the first year out. Politicians should all be taking a huge pay cut in my opinion.

People are pointing out that teachers are getting paid for the holidays i.e. June, July and August. This is tecnically not the case, what happens is the salary they get for 9 teaching months is divided up and paid over 12 months of the year.

To some who have said that there wasn't a gun pointed to teachers and nurses heads, I agree there wasn't a gun in sight they choose their profession and fair play to them for doing so. Every country needs its education system, health system and law & order. Teaching and Nursing aren't the easiest of professions in the public sector, they went into public sector when there was so much more money to be made in the private sector.
People who chose the private sector ye knew what you were getting into in terms of job security, you risked it for the good wages and lack of long term security.

Teachers wages didn't go up a huge amount during the boom times, there wasn't exactly parity.

i did take pay cuts as im a mechanic and knew all garages were going under so i wasnt going to argue about a paycut and i was happy to take a paycut,i would gladly go back and work for half what i was getting as i get fuck all from the social welfare and garages are letting people go so finding a job is near impossible!
id like to see how the public sector workers would like spending christmas with fuck all money and no income,they should shut the fuck up wingeing and think about the less fortunate!!!!!!!

 

i love that Ans from the public sector that that all TD's should take a pay cut how may people are in the dail? 166!!...how many in the public sector? you tell me where the biggest saving is? would you honestly run for election for less then 50k i wouldnt, at best you can lose your job once every 5 years, dont think that happens in the public sector.

im not defending the Gov btw just pointing out how many TD's there are etc and that not a personally aimed post im just sick of hearing that line

 

QUOTE (razor @ Dec 2 2009, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i love that Ans from the public sector that that all TD's should take a pay cut how may people are in the dail? 166!!...how many in the public sector? you tell me where the biggest saving is? would you honestly run for election for less then 50k i wouldnt, at best you can lose your job once every 5 years, dont think that happens in the public sector.

im not defending the Gov btw just pointing out how many TD's there are etc and that not a personally aimed post im just sick of hearing that line

Plenty of holidays as a TD though

 

QUOTE (villian02 @ Dec 2 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Plenty of holidays as a TD though

not really......dail might not sit much but constituency work doesnt stop (well it shouldnt if there any use)