Obviously im going to use it but have just been advised to get feedback from others by Steelgti. Good idea too as we have kinda hijacked another thread. So guys yes or no why or why not if you please...........................

 

It's a no from me. Take your pick from the following reasons:

Cold start problems
Hot start problems
Running problems
Mapping problems
Diagnostic problems

How could it possibly be as good as the factory management? It couldn't, and doesn't compare to it on any level at all. With factory management the engine runs as intended by VW. If you want a remap you go and buy one. If you have a problem you plug in VAG-com.

There is more work involved in using factory management but then on the other hand when using factory ECU you don't have to buy the QPeng setup.

It's just a total no brainer for me.

 

I added a poll to you thread, hope you don't mind

 

I think its crap, even the quailty of the ecu enclosure is like something you'd buy off maplin for 25cent, I think its just mega squirt with a cool name, but not even as good.... The ''Diagnostic port'' is a dangling female 3.5mm connector, not water proof or covered at all.

Plus, the lads that design VW ecus are insane electronics experts....

 

Done a little research on this before and it'd be a no from me. Factory diagnostics with the OEM loom make it a no brainer IMO.

 

QUOTE (Neilo @ Mar 8 2010, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I added a poll to you thread, hope you don't mind

Thanks Neilo but i don't like where this is heading. I decided on qpeng before i discovered Vagdrivers and didn't find too much negative about it on the net before i bought it. Just have to wait and see............

 

original ecu and eurodyne maestro tuning suite or a proper custom remap!
http://www.eurodyne.ca/eurodyne_maestro_tuning_suite.php
Guessing its for a 1.8t swap

 

QUOTE (Underhauled @ Mar 8 2010, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks Neilo but i don't like where this is heading. I decided on qpeng before i discovered Vagdrivers and didn't find too much negative about it on the net before i bought it. Just have to wait and see............

Sell the QP loom and go oem, not too late.

 

If you're going stand alone ecu go with emerald. I am. You have the option of having 3 maps and changing them with the flick of a switch. I have been on to a few independent companies and none of them had a bad word about emerald. qpeng on the other hand........ The base map that they provide is nigh on perfect as they have done so many at this stage.

 

Right on Trev, emerald is great, Ill be going that route this year on my engines. They actually do email ya back too.....

 

@Neilo easy said to go OEM, but how to afford entire loom again after forking out for qpeng setup. And I am serious when i tell you that the other project we tried to stay oem management with turned into a four month nightmare and i dont want to go through all that again.

Quantum were spot on with emails and answered all questions quickly which gave me a bit of peace of mind. Anyone in business in this country that i have emailed for parts or anything just don't bother replying and when/if they eventually do they do not want to be put under any unusual requests.

Guess i'll get her running on quantum stuff and hope everything is ok. I am not into constant changing of maps and switching set-ups while running so base map should be good enough for my needs. Car not going to be daily either.

Guys I appreciate all advice from the heads and will keep everyone updated. Who voted yes by the way and how are things running for them?

Underhauled

 

QUOTE (Underhauled @ Mar 10 2010, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Neilo easy said to go OEM, but how to afford entire loom again after forking out for qpeng setup. And I am serious when i tell you that the other project we tried to stay oem management with turned into a four month nightmare and i dont want to go through all that again.

Quantum were spot on with emails and answered all questions quickly which gave me a bit of peace of mind. Anyone in business in this country that i have emailed for parts or anything just don't bother replying and when/if they eventually do they do not want to be put under any unusual requests.

Guess i'll get her running on quantum stuff and hope everything is ok. I am not into constant changing of maps and switching set-ups while running so base map should be good enough for my needs. Car not going to be daily either.

Guys I appreciate all advice from the heads and will keep everyone updated. Who voted yes by the way and how are things running for them?

Underhauled
Im not being one bit smart when I say this, but it only turns into a 4 month nightmare if you haven't your homework done.

 

QUOTE (Brian.G @ Mar 10 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Im not being one bit smart when I say this, but it only turns into a 4 month nightmare if you haven't your homework done.

I appreciate your massive brain Brian but presently all i'm getting is negative comments without any alternative solutions being presented. As in how easy is it to bypass immobilisers on vag ecu's how do you get around clocks etc,etc.

 

QUOTE (Underhauled @ Mar 10 2010, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I appreciate your massive brain Brian but presently all i'm getting is negative comments without any alternative solutions being presented. As in how easy is it to bypass immobilisers on vag ecu's how do you get around clocks etc,etc.

Immobiliser can be removed, Joe Power can do it. AFAIK then the clocks are not required.

 

QUOTE (Underhauled @ Mar 10 2010, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I appreciate your massive brain Brian but presently all i'm getting is negative comments without any alternative solutions being presented. As in how easy is it to bypass immobilisers on vag ecu's how do you get around clocks etc,etc.
No need for the smart reply lad, its not me thats having problems

 

QUOTE (Brian.G @ Mar 10 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No need for the smart reply lad, its not me thats having problems

Genuinely not being smart, and not having problems yet car not running

 

http://vagdrivers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=91&hl=

Suggest you read this thread and then talk to Ronan

I believe the boys from Qpeng came over and still didn't get things to run right.

 

QPE use MBE ECU, and sounds like they're giving them a bad name! I've used an MBE 967 on a track/sprint car for about 6yrs now and think it's great - bit it's horses for courses.

For a road car any aftermarket ECU be it Emerald, MBE, DTA, Omex etc, will all need a good bit of work to get it as well refined as a factory car, where thousands of dyno hours have been spent fine tuning for different driving situations etc. As Geo pointed out, the hot and cold start maps will take a long time to get right, due to the issues of cooling/heating a car repeatedly. Chances are remaps are going to be a little bit pricey, but you'll probably only do it the once.

For a track/race car when all your mainly concerned about is ignition&fuel map for high load sites and full power - then an aftermarket ECU makes a lot more sense, you're not as worried about hot/cold start, you're free to make constant tweaks to the map, and can use the ECU for other things like rad fan control, fuel pump control, traction/launch control, shift light etc. The MBE easimap software is very easy to use, and very handy for making small changes (which are usually required) to fine tune the little things that are taken for granted on an OEM ECU (idle, hot/cold start). But at the same time, if you start making serious engine mods - bit lairy cams, then having the ability to fine tune all that, with your own freedom, is going to be worth it.

The wiring loom for an aftermarket ECU should typically be a lot simpler - but it sounds like this is the bit that QPE have made a mess of, sounds like they've tried to take a complex OEM loom and merge it with an aftermarket ECU.

 

chewy is running one on his mk3, on an apx s3 engine, haven't taken it on the road yet, but it starts first pick no problem, will let you know in a week or so what (if any) issues we have. ben leech seems like an alright guy, genuinely helpful. afaik mbe is what was used by nme in the works sunny rally cars, used to give some problems then but hopefully sorted by now, 15 years later!

 

Thanks to all for the input. It is good to have this knowledge base to call on and i hope i'll be as helpful to others in the future. I have an idea what to expect now and i will keep you all posted. Hopefully she wont need too much fettling to run right but as i said this car is not intended as a daily so hopefully even the small glitches might not be too much of hassle.

Guys if i have sounded smart or unappreciative previously it was not intended to be, i am still pretty new to all this and really just jumped straight in. Good way to learn though.

Hope to meet ye all face to face this summer somewhere around the country.
Cheers all

 

Hope it all goes well. As you said this is for a track car and not a daily driver.

 

lads, its the man mapping the car that is a far more important factor on how well the system works and also the man that fitted and wired the system and if you want to do alot of custom stuff and you are hunting for big power the oem management is not the way forward, custom mapping oem management is a serious pain in the hole.

 

QUOTE (mk3 @ Mar 11 2010, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lads, its the man mapping the car that is a far more important factor on how well the system works and also the man that fitted and wired the system and if you want to do alot of custom stuff and you are hunting for big power the oem management is not the way forward, custom mapping oem management is a serious pain in the hole.

I fitted and wired system Qpeng built loom and stuck on ecu. Loom is piss easy to fit though guess i'll see how good their map is. When i said car wont be a daily i didn't mean she being tracked. This is my weekend(ish) car just for me, my toy. I like your point about OEM management being hassle to change thats why i went for qpeng system.

 

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QUOTE (Stiofán @ Mar 11 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mine is on QPE, and so far I've had no trouble with it at all, touch wood. There was some map tweaking when it was installed, but since then it's ran perfectly.

I'm bloody glad to hear that Stiofan. Can you elaborate on what map tweaking was required and how did you go about it. Did Quantum do it or did you get software yourself.Thanks.