My plan for my house has always been hard wood sash windows but I'm struggling to raise the money so I'm gonna throw some cheap pvc windows in so I can move on and get it plastered and move in, Munster Joinery are coming to price it but has anyone priced windows lately and found some one cheaper/better for similar price, I would never have considered munster but lately they have upped their game, so what ye think?
cliffperse
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Munster have changed to meet the market and are the better for it.
I'll get the name of another place that did my mates gaff - top notch.
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I'll get the name of another place that did my mates gaff - top notch.
Dec
munster haven't upped their game.
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we don't use them. ever. they're windows are still a 50mm section and their frames are un insulated. we use a crowd who are more reliable, similarly price, 70mm section as standard and a far better window.
http://windowsdirect.ie/
ring martin and tell him conor doyle sent ya and he'll look after you. he'll give you a price off the plans aswell. i just don't know if he'll travel up the country.
http://windowsdirect.ie/
ring martin and tell him conor doyle sent ya and he'll look after you. he'll give you a price off the plans aswell. i just don't know if he'll travel up the country.
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They did my parernts house years ago and also recently when they got some work done. Family run business and the brothers that fitted the windows where super quick and their work was very very tidy. They have also done a load of the houses in the area. Couldn't recommend them enough.
Worth a phone call
They did my parernts house years ago and also recently when they got some work done. Family run business and the brothers that fitted the windows where super quick and their work was very very tidy. They have also done a load of the houses in the area. Couldn't recommend them enough.
Worth a phone call
My last house had window from Munster Joinery, they were terrible. If they have upped their game at all they will still be bad. I would avoid them. Cant reccomend anyone in your area, but I would look north. Try Senator windows in Crossmaglen and Mourne windows in Hilltown. You can bounce one off the other til you get a price that YOU arr happy with.
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Munster joinery came to do my parents house last week.what a shower of cowboys!please listen to the advice and keep clear.they made bits of the window boards, the plastering was brutal and unacceptable.they had to chip it out and re-do.they made 3 balcony doors before they got it right and made 2 patio doors out of error.Senator were 500quid cheaper but we went for mj.its the fitting crew we had,not all are bad,the lads who re-did the work were good.the windows themselves are top class. The quality dived during the good times is what I hear bout them. My 2cents ;-)
Thanks for all the advice lads, I've a couple of lads calling tomorrow to price them, I also called the joinery that priced me for sash and he said he'd price me for 'non' sash hardwood traditional style so fingers crossed he can sort something for me!!! I'd really like not to have to fit pvc, I guess I look at my house like a car, much as I'd love a set of rs's I'll have to make do with 100+ or some other dung!
Why do want hardwood so bad?
We changed our windows purely because they were teak....sick of bondex'ing them and varnishing them once a year! awkward to do to upstairs windows let alone the attic windows! Twas fairly dodge up on a ladder up that high with the wind round ere!
When the sun blisters the varnish, they quickly look tatty.
PCV- job done
Red diesel is spot on- play them on price. Play them back and fourth and you'll get the price your happy with
We changed our windows purely because they were teak....sick of bondex'ing them and varnishing them once a year! awkward to do to upstairs windows let alone the attic windows! Twas fairly dodge up on a ladder up that high with the wind round ere!
When the sun blisters the varnish, they quickly look tatty.
PCV- job done
Red diesel is spot on- play them on price. Play them back and fourth and you'll get the price your happy with
Grady joinery are fairly good for pvc... id steer clear of pvc though, dont skimp on the basics... i went with Rational aluclad. expencive but worth it. 120mm section(Frame) 60mm sash.. http://www.rationel.ie/rationel-ie/data.ns...5A?OpenDocument
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality product
Pic of mine http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6734...id=473996582812
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality product
Pic of mine http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6734...id=473996582812
QUOTE (daveslp @ Oct 5 2010, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do want hardwood so bad?
We changed our windows purely because they were teak....sick of bondex'ing them and varnishing them once a year! awkward to do to upstairs windows let alone the attic windows! Twas fairly dodge up on a ladder up that high with the wind round ere!
When the sun blisters the varnish, they quickly look tatty.
PCV- job doneProblem is you're using a low grade product to maintain your joinery , pvc is , in my opinion , cheap and tacky on a new build or renovation
QUOTE (Kylemalee @ Oct 5 2010, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Grady joinery are fairly good for pvc... id steer clear of pvc though, dont skimp on the basics... i went with Rational aluclad. expencive but worth it. 120mm section(Frame) 60mm sash.. http://www.rationel.ie/rationel-ie/data.ns...5A?OpenDocument
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality productRationel stopped manufacturing here over 2 yrs ago and are now importing
Do you have pdf drawings Cliff?
I've 2 people i could refer you to , 1 pvc and 1 traditional sliding sash
Both leave top work , the sash windows would give a snowman a horn!!
We changed our windows purely because they were teak....sick of bondex'ing them and varnishing them once a year! awkward to do to upstairs windows let alone the attic windows! Twas fairly dodge up on a ladder up that high with the wind round ere!
When the sun blisters the varnish, they quickly look tatty.
PCV- job doneProblem is you're using a low grade product to maintain your joinery , pvc is , in my opinion , cheap and tacky on a new build or renovation
QUOTE (Kylemalee @ Oct 5 2010, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Grady joinery are fairly good for pvc... id steer clear of pvc though, dont skimp on the basics... i went with Rational aluclad. expencive but worth it. 120mm section(Frame) 60mm sash.. http://www.rationel.ie/rationel-ie/data.ns...5A?OpenDocument
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality productRationel stopped manufacturing here over 2 yrs ago and are now importing
Do you have pdf drawings Cliff?
I've 2 people i could refer you to , 1 pvc and 1 traditional sliding sash
Both leave top work , the sash windows would give a snowman a horn!!
Importing from there main hq and factory? probably better?i always thought they wr imported from denmark. i got mine 6 months ago.. Iv worked in 2 joinerys in the past.. Believe me there is no comparison..
They used to manufacture in edenderry , your ones are deffo imported so.
Many of the joinerys are importing now [wrights etc]
The Rationel gear is very good tho and they have a good aftersales service.
We maintained 230 of their windows last year on a development. They were Nordic pine, between 18mths and 40mths old and had suffered very little moisture ingress compared to their competitors.
They use a Teknos lacquer system which is expensive but you get what you pay for...
Are the alu-clads powder coated?
How long do they last?
Many of the joinerys are importing now [wrights etc]
The Rationel gear is very good tho and they have a good aftersales service.
We maintained 230 of their windows last year on a development. They were Nordic pine, between 18mths and 40mths old and had suffered very little moisture ingress compared to their competitors.
They use a Teknos lacquer system which is expensive but you get what you pay for...
Are the alu-clads powder coated?
How long do they last?
QUOTE (Ray @ Oct 5 2010, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They used to manufacture in edenderry , your ones are deffo imported so.
Many of the joinerys are importing now [wrights etc]
The Rationel gear is very good tho and they have a good aftersales service.
We maintained 230 of their windows last year on a development. They were Nordic pine, between 18mths and 40mths old and had suffered very little moisture ingress compared to their competitors.
They use a Teknos lacquer system which is expensive but you get what you pay for...
Are the alu-clads powder coated?
How long do they last?
They are powder coated.. lovely finish. they didnt even get scraped when plastering, so id say they will last a hell of a long time. Also they will paint them any RAL colour.. Cant say enough good things about them. The internal side of the windows are all nordic pine.. Very tasty.
Many of the joinerys are importing now [wrights etc]
The Rationel gear is very good tho and they have a good aftersales service.
We maintained 230 of their windows last year on a development. They were Nordic pine, between 18mths and 40mths old and had suffered very little moisture ingress compared to their competitors.
They use a Teknos lacquer system which is expensive but you get what you pay for...
Are the alu-clads powder coated?
How long do they last?
They are powder coated.. lovely finish. they didnt even get scraped when plastering, so id say they will last a hell of a long time. Also they will paint them any RAL colour.. Cant say enough good things about them. The internal side of the windows are all nordic pine.. Very tasty.
Yea nordic pine is very nice once it's maintained correctly
Sad part is , the joiners didnt tell the developers they require maintenance ever 2 years and there are 100's of developments around the country lookings like shite only a few years on
Depending on exposure and elevation you might get 18mths from a south facing exposed elevation to 3 years on a north facing side
The powder coat will go a little flat but you might be talking 10 years on a south elevation which is as good as maintenance free in my opinion
Are their windows A rated now? Are they 4/16/4 and argon filled?
Soft bar seems to be the way forward now to achieve A rating
Sad part is , the joiners didnt tell the developers they require maintenance ever 2 years and there are 100's of developments around the country lookings like shite only a few years on
Depending on exposure and elevation you might get 18mths from a south facing exposed elevation to 3 years on a north facing side
The powder coat will go a little flat but you might be talking 10 years on a south elevation which is as good as maintenance free in my opinion
Are their windows A rated now? Are they 4/16/4 and argon filled?
Soft bar seems to be the way forward now to achieve A rating
QUOTE (Kylemalee @ Oct 5 2010, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Grady joinery are fairly good for pvc... id steer clear of pvc though, dont skimp on the basics... i went with Rational aluclad. expencive but worth it. 120mm section(Frame) 60mm sash.. http://www.rationel.ie/rationel-ie/data.ns...5A?OpenDocument
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality product
Pic of mine http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6734...id=473996582812
Swisssh house lad, always loved rationel and as ray pointed out i thought they were gone, lovely windows, i know munster are doing a sort of replica of them!
I guess i just cant afford them though!
there a life time job, very strong, smooth, and quality product
Pic of mine http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6734...id=473996582812
Swisssh house lad, always loved rationel and as ray pointed out i thought they were gone, lovely windows, i know munster are doing a sort of replica of them!
I guess i just cant afford them though!
Do you have pdf drawings Cliff?
I've 2 people i could refer you to , 1 pvc and 1 traditional sliding sash
Both leave top work , the sash windows would give a snowman a horn!!
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I can get drawings but I just cant afford sash even badly made ones
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but at least I've the inner blockwork done to take them with balance weights so when my ship comes in down the line I'll pull out the cheap ones
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I've 2 people i could refer you to , 1 pvc and 1 traditional sliding sash
Both leave top work , the sash windows would give a snowman a horn!!
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I can get drawings but I just cant afford sash even badly made ones
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Problem is you're using a low grade product to maintain your joinery , pvc is , in my opinion , cheap and tacky on a new build or renovation
Well if the mother's happy - Im happy, so I won't tell her you said her new windows look cheap and tacky
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Explain what you mean by " a low grade product to maintain your joinery?
We got the one's that look like the teak, I wouldn't say they look cheap,12grand aint that cheap. I think I'm taking after the father's old age- No maintainance is king!
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Problem is you're using a low grade product to maintain your joinery , pvc is , in my opinion , cheap and tacky on a new build or renovation
Well if the mother's happy - Im happy, so I won't tell her you said her new windows look cheap and tacky
Explain what you mean by " a low grade product to maintain your joinery?
We got the one's that look like the teak, I wouldn't say they look cheap,12grand aint that cheap. I think I'm taking after the father's old age- No maintainance is king!
QUOTE (cliffperse @ Oct 5 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can get drawings but I just cant afford sash even badly made ones
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but at least I've the inner blockwork done to take them with balance weights so when my ship comes in down the line I'll pull out the cheap ones
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pm me and i can get costings done for A rated pvc and sash if you want , you have my number
QUOTE (daveslp @ Oct 6 2010, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Explain what you mean by " a low grade product to maintain your joinery?You used bondex , it's typical diy muck with a high marketing budget. You need sikkens novotop to give a consistant level of protection to your joinery
Dont get me wrong , bondex is fantastic on internal joinery , i used it in my own place , but externally it just doesnt cut the mustard or even the fcukin grass
QUOTE (daveslp @ Oct 6 2010, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Explain what you mean by " a low grade product to maintain your joinery?You used bondex , it's typical diy muck with a high marketing budget. You need sikkens novotop to give a consistant level of protection to your joinery
Dont get me wrong , bondex is fantastic on internal joinery , i used it in my own place , but externally it just doesnt cut the mustard or even the fcukin grass
QUOTE (Ray @ Oct 7 2010, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>pm me and i can get costings done for A rated pvc and sash if you want , you have my number
You used bondex , it's typical diy muck with a high marketing budget. You need sikkens novotop to give a consistant level of protection to your joinery
Dont get me wrong , bondex is fantastic on internal joinery , i used it in my own place , but externally it just doesnt cut the mustard or even the fcukin grass
Will do ray, I measure them up tomorrow!
Has anyone ever used a crowd in england called quick slide, they do pvc sash and a full range of casement windows and doors, sooo cheap it seams too good, plus I'd save the vat etc... I dont know how to put up a link but they have a great site, I rang them 2 year ago but they hadn't a great range at the time, but I just thought of them today and am very intrested!
You used bondex , it's typical diy muck with a high marketing budget. You need sikkens novotop to give a consistant level of protection to your joinery
Dont get me wrong , bondex is fantastic on internal joinery , i used it in my own place , but externally it just doesnt cut the mustard or even the fcukin grass
Will do ray, I measure them up tomorrow!
Has anyone ever used a crowd in england called quick slide, they do pvc sash and a full range of casement windows and doors, sooo cheap it seams too good, plus I'd save the vat etc... I dont know how to put up a link but they have a great site, I rang them 2 year ago but they hadn't a great range at the time, but I just thought of them today and am very intrested!
QUOTE (cliffperse @ Oct 7 2010, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Will do ray, I measure them up tomorrow!
Has anyone ever used a crowd in england called quick slide, they do pvc sash and a full range of casement windows and doors, sooo cheap it seams too good, plus I'd save the vat etc... I dont know how to put up a link but they have a great site, I rang them 2 year ago but they hadn't a great range at the time, but I just thought of them today and am very intrested!
top window at 220quid? sounds good to me
Has anyone ever used a crowd in england called quick slide, they do pvc sash and a full range of casement windows and doors, sooo cheap it seams too good, plus I'd save the vat etc... I dont know how to put up a link but they have a great site, I rang them 2 year ago but they hadn't a great range at the time, but I just thought of them today and am very intrested!
top window at 220quid? sounds good to me
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Just thought I'd put up a few pics, bought these from a crowd in England, very good quality, very good to deal with and very cheap
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blagged a trade discount and saved the vat too!!! what ye think?
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