All I wish to know is ,

Why should fuses not be used in a SPL car?

That is all I wish to know and I look forward to hearing the science behind it.

 

QUOTE (Brian47 @ Jul 12 2009, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All I wish to know is ,

Why should fuses not be used in a SPL car?

That is all I wish to know and I look forward to hearing the science behind it.

As i see youre kind a person who doesnt understand what they get via PM ?

OK i post you this again !

You get your answers from:

www.google.com

http://audioforum.termpro.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/

As my english is SO bad, i hope you get brilliant answers for your questions

Regards

Marko

 

Fair enough Markoc, if that's the way it is to be then that's fine.

We've all had some fun tonight including yourself Markoc.

 

Just to clarify I never received a PM.

And I did google it. Every install I seen had fuses and some even had fused audio connectors.

With them results either,

1. you know another way of doing things

OR

2. you're talking pure utter shite.

 

I just wanna know what the fuck spl is???????? Is it something to do with the engine? does it make the car go faster? Should i fit splz to my engine? will it cost me in the long run at the pumps? how much is it? Is it on ebay? I can say that Im 5000%splz sure that an inline fuse DOES NOT alter the current carrying capacity of the power wire used to feed the splz if the FUSE not the WIRE is of the same voltage and maximum normal current carrying capacity that the device its running is rated at, you dont need to be an electronic engineer to know this, its on about page 5 of the simple electronics ladybird book, i remember reading it about 21years ago.

Ps, i dident bother my arse reading the above links as whatever they contain isent true, current flow rate through a given cross-section ferrous fuse material in a properly rated circuit will not alter supply current to device without externally heating the fuse metal, creating a short, or talking waffle, its just physics im afraid.
If anyone wants to know more on how this all works and why it its so at a more in depth deeper level pm me

SPL isent in the index anywhere in the above book, so i still need to know what that is and if i need 1, 2, 4, or 16, splz, pending position and function in the engine, i await patiently for a response, THANKS IN ADVANCE.

 

He pm'd myself when I asked him. He was very rude and wouldnt answer, just told me to research if I want to know and if I couldnt be bothered researching then Im dumb?!

When pushed he gave me the real technical answer that fuses are for pussies! So in other words he hasnt a clue

 

QUOTE (mikerd4 @ Jul 12 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>He pm'd myself when I asked him. He was very rude and wouldnt answer, just told me to research if I want to know and if I couldnt be bothered researching then Im dumb?!

When pushed he gave me the real technical answer that fuses are for pussies! So in other words he hasnt a clue

You keep pushing, WHY ?

SPL = Sound Pressure Level
SOUND PRESSURE explained

I gave you the links where you get all your answers in proper english

I can repeat:

http://www.google.ie/
http://www.bcae1.com/
http://www.dbdragracing.com/
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/

I repeat again, i built the loudest car in Ireland and i really dont have a clue what im doing, enjoy that knowledge

Also i told you to come to the next sound off, where i can show and introduce to you my install and explain the things for you !
So your statement here is more than rude and full of lies, but maybe thats the way how to get some respect from other forum members, i dont know ...

I also started a thread in TA where people explain why SPL cars dont use fuses http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=297428
But you just keep pushing

no fuses = less resistance
cables don't just short for no reason, as long as the cables are installed correctly and secured the risk is practically non existent

Good luck with that !

 

I dont care about translation your just a very strange guy.

What lies? I asked for a straight answer and you didnt give me one. I could build the tallest building in Ireland in my garden it doesnt mean I know how to do it safely and properly.

As for no fuses, as stated if specced correctly they have absolutely no impact on current flow. If they blow its because a: they are wrongly sized or b: they are actually doing their job.

From the pics of your install there is nothing safe or correctly fitted its just downright dangerous, again you may have changed your design or the layout or even fitted insulation around the bloody big exposed live conductor (the body is earthed by the way).

 

just checked the link out and finally after a long time I have my answer. As you couldnt answer me before Im guessing you didnt know (remember you said it was too long winded and I wouldnt understand).

 

QUOTE (mikerd4 @ Jul 12 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just checked the link out and finally after a long time I have my answer. As you couldnt answer me before Im guessing you didnt know (remember you said it was too long winded and I wouldnt understand).

Ah now Mikerd4, ya can't leave it just hanging in mid-air, please enlighten us about what you discovered!

Or is it like a sort of Da Vinci code for audio? LOL

But be careful, if you answer it well we may have to retitle this thread to "Just for Mikerd4....." as our resident expert is not doing so well so far

 

QUOTE (mikerd4 @ Jul 12 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just checked the link out and finally after a long time I have my answer. As you couldnt answer me before Im guessing you didnt know

Like i told you before, yes i DONT know what im doing

 

Hi

Will BBS RC's look good on the Seat? What size should i get?

Thanks

 

^^^^

This thread is funny

 

QUOTE (MarkoC @ Jul 12 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You keep pushing, WHY ?

SPL = Sound Pressure Level
SOUND PRESSURE explained

I gave you the links where you get all your answers in proper english

I can repeat:

http://www.google.ie/
http://www.bcae1.com/
http://www.dbdragracing.com/
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/

I repeat again, i built the loudest car in Ireland and i really dont have a clue what im doing, enjoy that knowledge

Also i told you to come to the next sound off, where i can show and introduce to you my install and explain the things for you !
So your statement here is more than rude and full of lies, but maybe thats the way how to get some respect from other forum members, i dont know ...

I also started a thread in TA where people explain why SPL cars dont use fuses http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=297428
But you just keep pushing

no fuses = less resistance
cables don't just short for no reason, as long as the cables are installed correctly and secured the risk is practically non existent

Good luck with that !

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_12/4.html

If your looking for less resistance why not just use thicker gauge copper? Your only running a few metres, resistance is minimal. Give it a few years and all competition cars will prob be required to have fuses. If I bypass fuses etc, in the case of a fire I can get jail time.

P.s. Was setting up for a gig in belfast on monday. 1 amp wasn't working, opened the plug to see if it was the fuse. It was the fuse, the whole inside of the plug was burnt too. factory fitted plug, missing 1 screw, wires crossed, resulted in a v black plug. Ive been using it since december, and it seemed perfect.
Was given an amp by a friend of mine a few weeks ago, he said the internal fuses kept going. He's had it for 8 years, only started getting trouble a few months ago. Opened it up, with a new fuse, plugged into rubbish speakers. was looking at the circuitry, then Bang (speakers, glad they have a high max output

) and a Flash of a spark. Its off getting fixed, but if that wasnt fused, the result could be much worse in both cases. And far more expensive.
Thats the last im gona say about fuses. Im sure everyone is sick of it by now

 

no fuses, ha

i always wondered why the factory put them in the car. stupid germans, if there was no fuses id gain at least 100bhp

but seriously when you have a stereo system in your car thats that powerful and dont have any fuses your asking for trouble

cables don't just short for no reason, as long as the cables are installed correctly and secured the risk is practically non existent
^^^
as for that statment nobody can do everything perfect 100% of the time so eventually your going to get caught out, BIG TIME

 

Lads, why are you getting so hung up on fuses?

In both AC and DC installations, the sole purpose of a fuse is to protect the cable. If the cable is under sized then the fuse has no chance. End of.

All electrical equipment has a design spec and a max rating. if it is used outside either of the two then the installer is a fool.

SPL cars are Gay.

A DC shock will kill you at very low voltage.

 

I didn't read all of the above but I get the general jist of it,
,
Why would you be worried about the resistance of a cable getting to an amp? size the cable and fuses correctly so that the amp gets the correct voltage and amps, and there wont be a problem. The only place to worry about resistance of the cables would be from the amp to the speakers, where there will be no fuses anyway!!!!!

What a cock!

P.S. I may only be an electrical engineer, not an electronics engineer but the principles of electrics are all the same, If a battery blows up in your face your fucked in any engineering department !

 

QUOTE (MarkoC @ Jul 12 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no fuses = less resistance
cables don't just short for no reason, as long as the cables are installed correctly and secured the risk is practically non existent

Taken from further down in the Why SPL cars dont have fuses thread

QUOTE As for possibility of shorting the cable and starting a fire or having an accident, there are associated risks with SPL competition. You just have to weigh up those risks with wanting to push out a little more at the end of the day, especially if the competition is fierce.

QUOTE ^^^ what he said, fuses to me are resistors =] hahahahahha They are right though, no fuses and a battery bank, shorted wire and it may just burn your car to the ground, ive seen it several times

So it is awknowledged in his own thread by a fellow SPL competitor that there is a danger with running no fuses in his install, which is what sparked this whole debate to begin with??

 

QUOTE (Flano @ Jul 13 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Taken from further down in the Why SPL cars dont have fuses thread
I hope you keep an eye on that thread

And read what the PURE SPL guys are talking there

QUOTE At the end of the day its what your happy with, if I was after every last 1/10th I wouldnt use fuses

At the end of the day, like i mentioned before, ppl USE fuses as i do that in my daily drive as well !
But i dont, as im after the score with my Panda.

So why u bother to wind me up or make me fool ?
It NEVER works here, as i laugh at your comments agaiinst me !

Most of ye dont know what youre talking about, but the thread is HOT lol

fuses are for pussies who are afraid of fire haha

@ Flano

You dont know ANY of these guys, who are into SPL or whos into Streetbass, read more and then judge someone !
SPL guys DONT use fuses !

 

...as Jennifer anniston used to say in that ad 'for hair stuff'; "here is the science bit...concentrate!"

Markoc expertise has been most enlightening... Im off now to fly my kite over the local electrical substation; dont worry everybody; I'll be wearing 'rubber boots' and 'have wrapped some of the string in insulation tape...

 

QUOTE (BLZEEDUB @ Jul 13 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Markoc expertise has been most enlightening...

Im used to that in THIS forum, even if i win, im still retarded foreigner who doesnt know anything about the things lol

Cheers man

 

QUOTE (BLZEEDUB @ Jul 13 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...as Jennifer anniston used to say in that ad 'for hair stuff'; "here is the science bit...concentrate!"

Markoc expertise has been most enlightening... Im off now to fly my kite over the local electrical substation; dont worry everybody; I'll be wearing 'rubber boots' and 'have wrapped some of the string in insulation tape...

You'll be fine so..

 

QUOTE (MarkoC @ Jul 13 2009, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>fuses are for pussies who are afraid of fire haha

@ Flano

You dont know ANY of these guys, who are into SPL or whos into Streetbass, read more and then judge someone !
SPL guys DONT use fuses !

I never judged anybody, and these comments were from your thread on an SPL website.. I admit i dont know an SPL car setup but they would know more than me as they are into car audio and researching on that forum..

If ya wanna see who is judging peple look at yourself, Pussies use fuses??
People have asked you to explain your reasons for not using fuses and all you did was tell them to read something else instead of justify your own reasons.. Real SPL cars do this, Streetbassers do that.. And you were the one who reverted to calling people pussies and being aggresive in the threads!!

The main point people made was that there is a safety concern with running no fuses that you would not address at the beginning (which you seem to have now after editing your post 2 speperate times).. People in your own mindset (SPL & Streetbassers) have said that there is a saftey concern.. its your judgement as to wether to go down this route or not..

And as for people looking to make you look like a fool, IMO you have done that all by yourself!!

QUOTE Im used to that in THIS forum, even if i win, im still retarded foreigner who doesnt know anything about the things lol

Cheers man

I do not doubt that your car maybe the loudest in the country and you may know how to build a good SPL car, but your communication skills could do with some serious refining..

 

QUOTE (MarkoC @ Jul 13 2009, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im still retarded foreigner who doesnt know anything about the things

There's my new sig

Or better still,

QUOTE (MarkoC @ Jul 13 2009, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im still retarded

 

We can compare this thread to dragrace

Boost

Safe boost and dragrace setup

Well, if you get my point here

And again, i KEPT telling that please use fuses in your daily setups, so wtf is all this about against me ?
I gave you so many links where ppl explaining it to you in proper english and youre still not happy ...

What can i say here, nothing more ...

@ glenn

Yes take the words out of the sentence nd youre SO COOL

You are a retard