well if you have the insurance cert to prove you had insurance for the date they pulled you your sound

not sure about the other items you listed

 

unfortunately i would say you will end up getting a fine in court

it does look like the gard seems to have a problem with you

failure to produce your license because you were on holidays will probably only get the judges back up, why didnt you produce before you went?

provisional learner driver unacompanied by a qualified driver and no l plates , this was breaking the law

german plates, cars are passing in the nct with them fitted, trevor might be able to give you more info on this

anyway best of luck with it

 

You should be alright on the insurance one, once you produce the policy in court.. The other things are quite minor but they all add up. I reckon you will get a fine and a few penalty points but if you have a good solicitor and the judge see's how much of a prick that guard was you might get off lighty...if you were waiting on a driving test and had the nct booked when you were pulled it would help as you could say you were waiting to do both??

That was some PIG that pulled you..

 

You weren't insured, your insurance technically only covers you when you've a fully licensed driver with you.

Go into the Garda and plea with them, might just strike it out, having an attitude will not help at this point, just appologise and hope for the best.

 

In fairness to the garda, you wewrent conforming to the law, no nct, no silencer, no l plates, driving without a full licenced driver with prov., of course hes going to be pissed off, you shouldnt be on the road if I were the garda Id have done you also, youll be fine with the insurance, but the rest youll get what you deserve IMHO.

 

The best advice i can give you is get a good solicitor.......trust me you want a man who knows the ropes.

Every town has a well know solicitor who always wins or finds a way for the case to be thrown out.......don't even think of cost just get him !!!

 

if you have insurance covered you ok for that, is the insurance the only summons you got?

The L plate and licence could lead to fine or/and endorsement

in fairness the guard wasnt being 'pure prick' just doing his job rules of road are there for reason i dont claim to be angel on road but there a lot of 'L' drivers who never have full licence driver with them so suprised more not in trouble

 

Either the Garda in question has a real problem with you or you were acting the bollox or known for acting the bollox.
I've been stopped with nothing on the window in cars and been fine, it's all about your attitude,
if you have one I say loose it and take Enda's advice and get yourself a good solicitor.

The plates you might get away with if they were regulation (hyphens,county and IRL)
The Nct wasn't such a big offence 5 months ago and a good solicitor will sort that very quickly.
The learner driver thing, everyones chanced it but your likely to have a hard time with that especially with no L plates up.

 

as said, get a decent solicitor.
insurance isnt the issue, produce that in court to show you where covered on the day and they will all be struck out.
same for the licence.
check the court list, get the guards name, ask for the guard, (or the court sgt/inspector) show him, do this straight away.

plates : as long as they had county name, hyphens, blue flag with IRL, and he didnt take messurements from you plates (very unlikely) then you should be fine.
the font doesnt make them illegal, its all about size. and if he can prove size, you solicitor should get you out of this no problem.

of what you listed, id only be worrying about the NCT ones, the back box ones (did you have one at all?), and the lerner ones (only for you have the others it wouldnt have been a big deal either)

your solicitor will be telling you this anyway.

oh, and wear a suit. dont go into court looking like a muppet in a tracksuit (even if it is your best one) or worse, snikers work gear or something.

 

if you've been summonsed for insurance only and you can prove you've insurance then you should be grand. the judge can't even mention the other stuff because thats not what you've been summonsed for.

lads whats with the you get what you deserve attitude. no bit of camaradere around here at all. ok yes he broke the rules and got caught fair enough. i disagree with slaggin cops for doin your job but you've come lookin for advice and the above is the best i can offer. best of luck with it dude. hope its as straightforward as it can possibly be.

 

as i said above is the summons just for no insurance. if so you don't need to worry about the other stuff. you can only be tried on what your there for. they can't just say agh the insurance didn't work try the plates thing.

 

QUOTE (conord @ Oct 21 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you've been summonsed for insurance only and you can prove you've insurance then you should be grand. the judge can't even mention the other stuff because thats not what you've been summonsed for.

lads whats with the you get what you deserve attitude. no bit of camaradere around here at all. ok yes he broke the rules and got caught fair enough. i disagree with slaggin cops for doin your job but you've come lookin for advice and the above is the best i can offer. best of luck with it dude. hope its as straightforward as it can possibly be.

just read it again,
are you saying you only got one summons out of the whole incident,
or did you mean, one of the summons is insurance?

 

I'm thinking,few young lads in a car that stands out,acting the maggot.Any fella that puts in your old insurance disc is up to no good
to start with.

I got stopped in loads of cars with nothing on the window,no licence and fancy plates and never had any trouble as long as I got
off my hole and produced insurance.I often rang a cop shop when I was working away to tell them I would'nt be in and
they gave me all the time I wanted.I even had to show a cop my bank link card one night to prove I gave him my right name as I
had nothing else on me and he sent me on my way.

As bad as the cops are (and I hate them with a passion) you need to be doing something seriously wrong to end up in court.

 

could be worse,me and a mate got called to court for wearing the yellow garda jacket and pulling over cars pissed out our heads on the main westport castlebar road

 

From my reading of it i think he was disputing the fact that he got a summons for no insurance when he had the disc in the window

But ya think you only need worry about the Nct issues,

Have you booked an appointment yet it might help your case if you were to do so and bring your appointment date letter to court,

 

To be fair I think any judge is going to be pretty pissed that you went on holidays instead of producing what was requested. It shows you haven't really taken it seriously.
As said above, get yourself a good solicitor

EDIT: lmfao @ mcfudge!!

 

as your offline now, i'll ad what i was going to say anyway.
if the only summons you got was for "no insurance" and you where insured and have a cert to proove it,
dont bother with a solicitor,
get your arse down to the station the guard works from (his name is on the summons, make a phone call and ask when he's in)
produce it to him, and see if he can strike it out without you having to go in to court at all.
if he cant, go in and produce it in court and that'll be that.
i'd say you produced outside the 10days and didnt tell the guard who stopped you.
the summons could have been automatically sent out by the system without him even having to check it,
that could explain why you only got that summons.

at the end of the day, the disk in the window means nothing other then the car is insured, it doesnt say who by.
it could have been the old owner or the current owner if it wasnt you etc etc.

 

QUOTE (mcfudge @ Oct 21 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>could be worse,me and a mate got called to court for wearing the yellow garda jacket and pulling over cars pissed out our heads on the main westport castlebar road

and how did that go

have they laptops in the prison cells now?

did you stop any L drivers

 

QUOTE (timmy @ Oct 21 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>and how did that go

have they laptops in the prison cells now?

did you stop any L drivers

lol it didn't go down to well to be honest was on a saturday nite we went pulling,i went home to many beers found it hard to stand up

,but the other lad kept at it pulling taxi's after the disco's.anyway the gardi nailed me in work monday morning they didn't see they funny side.looking back it was really stupid but when your young and pissed up don't really think

 

Bold boy i`d say you will have to do time maybe six months not that bad

 

QUOTE (jonnygti @ Oct 21 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Bold boy i`d say you will have to do time maybe six months not that bad

just remember dont drop the soap

 

...as alreay mentioned, if you have insurance it should get struck out... judges are not usually into listening to petty shit in the courtroom, so I cant see the rest even being heard...; if its a 'by the book' cop whos one of the jobsworths types he'll have a load of other folk up for mickey-mouse motoring offences, and if a few of these are up before you it'll fray the old judges patiences and he might strike yours and others out too... hearing petty bullshit 'offences' eats into valuable brandy drinking time (or er, other activities) for many of these judges...

 

alan said it better then i did.

hoping the summons is just for the insurance thing.

 

I think the problem here is you didn't produce proof of insurance within 10 days the same as you didn't produce your drivers licence within 10 days. This is an offence within itself which you can be done for even if you have insurance.

 

QUOTE (KevC @ Oct 21 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think the problem here is you didn't produce proof of insurance within 10 days the same as you didn't produce your drivers licence within 10 days. This is an offence within itself which you can be done for even if you have insurance.

from expierence, if he has it with him on the day, it will be struck out. errors can occur and if there is any chance he could have produced it and he IS insured, the judge wont was his own time dealing with it. he'll want to cut the dead weight from the list.