Just want to run this simple poll.

 

Maybe add another option to the poll Mike. A lot of people are exempt.

 

I have not registered, I will pay it tho
Wasn't going to but had lunch with my solicitor today and he tells me that when I sell the property that I'll have to pay it then anyway

 

I will get flamed for this but am i alone in getting sick to the back teeth listening to people whinge about this? It's 100 quid. There are people spending that on fuel or train tickets or whatever to go up Dublin to protest about paying it! The radio and TV is wall to wall on it, giving the joe Duffy brigade plenty to whine on about. WTF! There are far more important things to worry about IMO. The cost of diesel and petrol for starters.!

Having said all that I'm renting at the mo so I think I'm exempt

 

QUOTE (JoeGTI5 @ Mar 29 2012, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I will get flamed for this but am i alone in getting sick to the back teeth listening to people whinge about this? It's 100 quid. There are people spending that on fuel or train tickets or whatever to go up Dublin to protest about paying it! The radio and TV is wall to wall on it, giving the joe Duffy brigade plenty to whine on about. WTF! There are far more important things to worry about IMO.
Having said all that I'm renting at the mo so I think I'm exempt

It's €100 for now,
Watch it grow!

 

QUOTE (JoeGTI5 @ Mar 29 2012, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I will get flamed for this but am i alone in getting sick to the back teeth listening to people whinge about this? It's 100 quid. There are people spending that on fuel or train tickets or whatever to go up Dublin to protest about paying it! The radio and TV is wall to wall on it, giving the joe Duffy brigade plenty to whine on about. WTF! There are far more important things to worry about IMO.
Having said all that I'm renting at the mo so I think I'm exempt

Its not though, its €100 this year for the pleasure of putting all your details on record, then give it a few years to snowball and you might as well just direct debit your wages to the goverment

BTW I don't have to pay it but it still annoys me and especially the gobshite they had on TV3 the other night blathering on about how Irish people should be lining up to pay it for the good of the country

 

QUOTE (oWesleyo @ Mar 29 2012, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's €100 for now,
Watch it grow!
what Wes said!

 

QUOTE (MINIVINNIE @ Mar 29 2012, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what Wes said!
fuckin' sure, plus it will be scaled on square ft. and plot size, I know that Ireland has a view of 'fuck the guy in the big house, who does he think he is' but to be fair that guy would have worked his bollix of to build it and generated a lot of money to the tax system in the process, while some lazy bastard living for next to nothing in free house will be exempt!

my feeling on this is that it started as a charge to pay for council water supply, but as they realised that a lot of houses, including my own have their own well so now it's been pushed as a tax to pay for all local services, if this is the case charge every one in the cuntry 50 quid a year, no exceptions! wether they own their own home or choose to rent, stay with parents whatever, then I'd pay no problem!! I won't mention the council fees that so many of us had to pay when we built our houses either

 

it's also not, JUST 100 Euro,
its, ANOTHER 100 Euro.

 

if its for services

will we have improved street lighting ? NO
will we have improved footpaths ? NO
will i have my bins colected ? NO
will road gullies be kept clear? NO
will the fire brigade be free? NO

sure we all know how the motor tax keeps the roads in excellent condition

it'll go into central coffers to pay for gamblers who came in after the guarentee

they can all go fcuk themselves

 

It'll start off low but increase over the years just like in the uk. What did we pay all that stamp duty for when buying our houses!? People in apartment complexes are already paying management fees for their services and they'll need to pay on top of that. If they kept it at 100 a year I wouldn't mind too much but it's the uncertainty of future rates that puts everyone off. It's like signing up to a money trap

 

I paid 37k stamp duty there for I reckon I have 370 years credit

 

I wonder what Jason Statham would have to say about all this.

Household Charge? "Do you think i've got c@nt written on my forehead!?"

 

Whats a real shame is what little difference it will make this year at such a low price.
If they left it go a few years until the employment situation came good and the mortgage repayments became a little smaller, that's when you screw a punter for a few extra greasy tax euro's, not when people are on the ropes.

Anyone know how the goverment can make rules up out of the air like this without opposition?

What stops them from saying "pay us 20k or your getting locked up"?

 

I paid it. Don't like it but its the law. Europe are making us implement this as part of the bailout agreement under fiscal reforms.

 

i paid 6k 'development levey' when we built 2years ago to the council they do nothing we pay some1 to cut hedges on 'council' road and fill the fecking pot holes ourselves still have no idea what they spent the money on
now is a €100 to keep the services they dont provide
if it was gna be set at a fixed €100 id pay but its what they bump it up to next year and then we will all have registered so will have no choice but to pay

 

This 'its the law' quote annoys me.

Sure enough, it is the law, but laws have been known to be wrong, misjudged or just plain stupid now and again. Most people would agree , for example, that German law circa 1939 was a bit screwy..

 

Its the law ??? whos law ? Troika, angela merkel, nicolas sarkozy ? how many people will actually go up infront of the judge for not paying ? Jamming up the already full courts, how many wil go to prison at a cost of €78000 per year per inmate ? let them lock me up, i'll get free legal aid, i'll have a free bed, free tv, free shower, 3 meals a day, free education etc etc oh hang on who pays that €78000 ??? you the taxpayer yet again......someone didnt think this 1 out very well.....did they ?

As for now im certainly not paying, it took the ESB 2.5 years to replace a bulb in a street lamp where I live, we cut our own trees, hedges grass etc the road sweeper might come in once in 6-8 months, the roads are shite, the so called speed bumps fell apart, theres more but I couldnt be arsed typing it, Berties Government left us rightly in the doo doo, and we are expected to pick up the pieces.....And the shower of c(_)nts running this Government are no better, puppets.......

I'll give my €100 to Crumlin Childrens Hospital Cancer Research. SOMEWHERE THAT WILL ACTUALLY PUT MY MONEY TO GOOD USE......

 

is there any talk of what the charge might go to, herd on the radio that the value of a site will dictate a lot of it, just thinking does that mean a half acre site in naas will be taxed higher than a half acre in say tipp town for example? or a one bed flat in blackrock be taxed higher than one in athy? will it fluxuate with house prices rising and falling?

 

QUOTE (cliffperse @ Mar 30 2012, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is there any talk of what the charge might go to, herd on the radio that the value of a site will dictate a lot of it, just thinking does that mean a half acre site in naas will be taxed higher than a half acre in say tipp town for example? or a one bed flat in blackrock be taxed higher than one in athy? will it fluxuate with house prices rising and falling?
Do you mean Snobbery or Geographical location

 

It's a very contentious issue, as its all over the news/media etc.

I think it has the potential to become a make-or-break issue between the country and our government....

Civil disobedience by not registering/paying on a grand scale will send a very strong message to the government that enough is enough, but will they take heed?

I don't think so.

Until there are drastic measures to clean up how this country is actually run and managed, and eliminate the wasted money in local government, and not defaulting to getting us taxpayers to foot the bill ever increasingly while Ireland's up to our necks in shit, then nothing meaningful or worthwhile to sort out this mess can be achieved.

Will I pay? No.

Why? because I don't believe its a viable or proper solution to an even greater problem...it's just a money-grabbing exercise...it's being stated that the money will go to funding local government...where's the funds gone that were used for this in the past? Have they been diverted to pay off some of our country's massive debt, that we the taxpayers are not responsible for?

People talk about paying too much tax...we have one of the lowest tax burdens in the EU...but on the other hand, fellow EU member states do pay higher taxes, but they also have the inwards investment into infrastructure and money put to good use in healthcare, childcare, public transport etc.

If we got value for our money, and could see it being put to good use, I would have no issues paying higher taxes.

This country is badly run, local government is badly run, and pisses money away on a biblical scale...until they take draconian measures to do something about this, rather than sticking their hands into my arse pocket to take my last fiver, they can fuck right off.

If a mugger or burglar tried to unlawfully take 100 quid off ya, you'd be perfectly entitled to administer a good hiding (in self-defence, of course)...this is what the household charge amounts to in my opinion.

God bless free speech.

 

It's an unfair tax, only those unfortunate to own a house has to pay? Do people that don't own their home not use services? Our "house" is paid up, not because I wanted to but because my mother who is in her 70,s is the homeowner and she was "advised" to pay up or face the "penalties".. If it was down to me they could go fcuk themselves, I think it's wrong to penalise just homeowners, services are for everyone so why is it only people unfortunate enough to "own" their home have to pay? I think it's very badly thought out, it's done in a way that corners home owners that can't really get away from it, as Ray said above it'll be tied to the property and if it's not paid it'll be attached to the property when you try sell or when a property changes hands (ie left in a will).. Sort of blackmail if you ask me..

IMHO it's a project to force people to accept a property "tax".. The way it's set up like you have to register is done as to seem your volunteering to pay, it's not a "law" as it's never been put into the constitution, it's basically an "agreement" between a home owner and the state and registering is like signing a contract, hence the volunteering bit, if is was law they'd have sent out bills to everyone that owns a property, which the data could be got from the deeds office? It's like Ireland is a test case for Europe and they're just seeing how far they can "tax" us, I see it as a european tax/charge, the government were told to bring it in and enforce it by the troika!! It's basically a fund to pay "investors" and a slush fund to "run"'Europe".. I heard recently a city manager say it's to pay lollipop men and women, provide a fire service etc , "it's going in with "motor tax" to provide services" etc (his words).. Well seeing as we have to pay for the fire brigade, bins, carbon tax, toll roads, income tax, parking, "donations to help run schools", food tax, clothing tax and soon to be water charges.. Exactly what services is this "tax" for?

Afaik it's just this year, next yr there'll be a fairer tax!! Based on house prices, which is set at values like 300,000 400,000, 500,000, up to and over a million, well most properties are far off that theses days, and to call it a fairer system is disingenuous as the cheapest rate will be a multiple of the current 100euro??

I don't disagree with some form of property "tax" but this "tax" is like a protection racket, you own a house we're taking money from you, don't pay and we'll force you to pay more type of SCAM.. The currrent government will have a steep learning curve when they fcuked out of office, their our representatives but since elected did nothing but folded and enforced austerity on it electorate to pay bankers, investors and Europe!! They never stood up to Europe at all, it's like they're the board of a company called Ireland and they're squeezing their assets to be a more profitable part of the mother company "Europe"..

It's basically a farce, no people in rented houses, council houses, properties for sale, unfinished estates (every town in Ireland is an unfinished estate!) are liable for this "tax".. Why are only home owners the ones who are required to pay for "services"? I reckon if this charge was challenged in court it would be done away with, it's been steam rolled through with little thought for the people..

And they want use to vote for more austerity? Even agreed to amendments to the treaty that penalises us more? If the people of Ireland grew a pair of balls and voted NO in the near "fiscal agreement" I'm sure the government and Europe would create a better deal for the ordinary people of Ireland and Europe.. As it stands it people being screwed to please capitalist investors making a profit.. I saw a stock broker explain european bonds recently and he said "we get paid if a country pays off the loans and paid if they don't" ie the ordinary man pay through austerity or the insurance pays, in essence they can't, won't and will never lose? So basically if you've got money and know the "system" your on the gravy train.. How the fcuk can "we" be held to account for payment of loans we never took? IMHO is shows Europe in a very bad light, it's basically a very big pyramid scam and guess whos on the bottom??

 

I love the part of this bill that says all government minesters residential properties are exempt. Once again they will get away without paying this TAX. The whole government is giving two fingers to the ordinary working person in this country and they expect us to pay for their high lives and bail out their banking buddies. If I was in a position to leave I'd be on the next plane out if here

 

QUOTE (JoeGTI5 @ Mar 29 2012, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I will get flamed for this but am i alone in getting sick to the back teeth listening to people whinge about this? It's 100 quid. There are people spending that on fuel or train tickets or whatever to go up Dublin to protest about paying it! The radio and TV is wall to wall on it, giving the joe Duffy brigade plenty to whine on about. WTF! There are far more important things to worry about IMO. The cost of diesel and petrol for starters.!

Having said all that I'm renting at the mo so I think I'm exempt

its not the money thats causing a issue, its the principle of the thing. people are giving out because they see the household charge as another stupid tax that the government need to bail themselves out. we are the governments puppets!

 

QUOTE (dent doc @ Mar 31 2012, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I love the part of this bill that says all government minesters residential properties are exempt. Once again they will get away without paying this TAX. The whole government is giving two fingers to the ordinary working person in this country and they expect us to pay for their high lives and bail out their banking buddies. If I was in a position to leave I'd be on the next plane out if here

Ministers are not exempt.

http://www.thejournal.ie/government-minist...389793-Mar2012/