[esskay]

Hi all,
I own a '92 Corrado G60. The previous owner got the supercharger serviced by Jabba Sport while he had it and only 10k miles have been put up since then. It was running perfectly well until recently. I had a K&N induction kit on the 'charger and it seems to have come apart. There was a coin sized piece of soft metal at the centre of the filter that seems to have entered the 'charger and it now makes a wild rattling noise. The car was being drived when this happened and made it home ok without any trouble. As soon as I started it again I heard the noise instantly.
Now, I have had a look a diagrams on the web and the 'charger does not seem to be overly complicated. My question is.......

Should I take it apart for a look or just sent it to Jabba Sport?

I rang jabba and they said they would look at it if I sent it over and would not charge me if they could not fix it. If they can fix it I would get charged the usual service cost (e900 approx) and they would replace the usual service parts too.

The 'charger still turns ok and the only thing wrong seems to be the noise. Still I have not started it again since then.

Any help appreciated,
Stevo.

 

[rmn]

Hi Stevo, it sounds like the charger has had it! not what you wnat to hear really, but if a G60 rattles it is generally bad news. It is not recomended to fit induction kits for the reason that they allow excess dirt particles through which effectivly bead blas the internals of the charger speeding up the ware rate.
To sum up, its not good!

 

[Winger]

I have no idea, but thought I would ask - how much would the Merc 'charger conversion cost, including the charger - from what I've read they are more robust?

 

[johnny99]

Rmn is correct, if the charger is noisey it's bad news. Don't run the engine as you don't want parts breaking off the charger and entering thr engine.

Although K+N are not my preferred filter, they are good and should be ok once fitted correctly. Are you sure the filter is capable of flowing enough air for the engine, they should not come apart, ever. On saying that there may have been a fault in bonding the filter in manufacture, and I would advise you to contact K+N, and tell them what happened.

Seen this happen on a supercharged levin using HKS that was incapable of the air flow requirements. Sucked in the foam and died.

Most top quality filters/induction kits manufactureer's can supply air flow figure's, and K+N can, defenitley.

John

 

[ronan]

hey johnny need a charger for that levin? i have a spare one.

a bbm charger might be an option for this corrado, mine cost about 1800-1900 euro, a new G60 costs more than that

 

[markmcie]

Send the charger off to England to see if it can be serviced. G-Wreks, Pitstop of JMR are well recommended on the corrado forum.

Locate an original air box and use a paper filter when the charger is serviced. As discussed above foam filters and induction kits are a no go on the G60.

Personally I have had good experience with John @ JMR. Very helpful guy and rang me constantly when servicing my charger with updates and worked Saturday night and Sunday so he could have the charger back in the post on the way to me first thing monday. JMR - 00447974020031

P.S. Read on vage you have DaveB's old G60. A lovely car hope you get it sorted without to much expense.

 

[fasteddie]

Clean it well ,and take it apart dead easy, i have rebuilt a few
but i think you will find it is dead

Jabba are CRAP !
Used them once years ago ,as i could not get the bits
and they would not sell me the bits

Sent me back a bitsa as i had marked all my parts on mine

 

[daveb]

Have heard good words about G-Werks over on the Corrado Forum too. Seem to be alot better priced than Jabba these days.

I do think its the fault of the induction kit and not Jabbas that this Charger has failed all the same.

 

[Dusty]

I too can vouch for Darren at G-werks he rebuilt my charger before Christmas and did a very professional job.

 

[dubburke]

Add a turbo instead?

 

[fasteddie]

If you want it done right and know its all your bits

Do it yourself dead easy job,if your not handless

 

[Brian]

QUOTE (fasteddie @ Jan 11 2006, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you want it done right and know its all your bits

Do it yourself dead easy job,if your not handless

Can you get a kit to rebuild them yourself?

 

[Davec]

I would strongly advise aginst taking this on yourself!!!

 

[Geo]

You can get kits to do them but when you compare the price of the kit to the price of getting someone like g-werks to do the rebuild then it's not worth taking the risk of doing it yourself just to save a hundred quid or so....

 

[Brian]

Just a thought

 

[markmcie]

And some of the rebuild kits are not meant to be the best quality either. And seeing that the supercharger is such an expensive piece of kit to replace if it blows then for piece of mind I would send it off to some reputible company.

Also Stev-Q. If the charger is a Jabba stage 4 then ask the person who is rebuilding it what the level of porting is like. Going by what is discussed on the corrado forum Jabbas porting is pretty sub standard and minimal.

 

[johnny99]

Ronan, Levin sorted, the importer than sold the car sourced a charger and fitted.

Mark, no problem with induction kits for G60, as long as they are properly specced and fitted. Most times the filter is too small and cannot handle the airflow requirements.

John

 

[rmn]

@johnny99, regarding the induction kits, i knwo of 2 chargers that were basicly scrap metal here in Ireland an d that was almost definatly down to the induction kit letting dirt particles into teh displacer and wearing it much much faster.
The problem is the state of our roads.......
But i would much more recomend fitting a K&N panel filter to the original airbox

 

[johnny99]

Although the K+N is a very reputable performance filter, the one I have most experience with are oiled foam type filter's such as Pipercross. The foam is only the medium for holding the oil, which in turn is the filter medium. This design is used by some WRC teams, off road dirt bikes and 2 mid field F1 teams and a few BTCC teams which covers many different enviornments. I'm not trying to start an arguement here, but to open a discussion.

What type of experience do people have with a filter of this type, as I would really like to know as I sell them. The only common problem that I know of is useing to much oil and can upset MAF sensors. This can usually be rectified by using solvent free type cleaner (switch cleaner) for computer keyboards.

On another point, Jabba Sport are the only ones that I know of that guarantee there rebuilds and reccomend fitting one of there induction kits which is very large due to the airflow requirment of a charger.

Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.

John

 

[Dusty]

QUOTE (johnny99 @ Jan 11 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This design is used by some WRC teams, off road dirt bikes and 2 mid field F1 teams and a few BTCC teams which covers many different enviornments. I'm not trying to start an arguement here, but to open a discussion.

I suppose the difference here is that these examples are all race/rally applications and as such the filters are likely to be changed regularly and won't ever get old enough to start breaking up. K&N offer a 100,000 mile warranty with their filters.

QUOTE On another point, Jabba Sport are the only ones that I know of that guarantee there rebuilds

Any thoughts on this subject are welcome.

John

G-werks also offer a guarantee with their rebuild. - I got one with mine.

Cheers
Dusty