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'Arrogant' farmer banned over tractor traffic jam
Wednesday, 11 February 2009

An "arrogant" farmer who held up a convoy of 20 cars as he drove his tractor home from a cattle mart has been banned for driving for one year.

In what could be an historic prosecution, the farmer, who was called "arrogant and individualistic" by a District Court judge, was told: "You don't have the right to force other people to drive at 15 miles per hour."

Michael Nevin (51) from Glenhest, Newport, Co Mayo, insisted that he had pulled over to allow traffic to overtake at the earliest opportunity when returning home from a mart on July 19 last, but gardai pursuing him said that he had passed six possible places before finally pulling in.

Mr Nevin, who plans to appeal his ban, was stopped for failing to pull over for traffic on his return from Balla mart. When stopped by gardai, he was issued with a fine which he refused to pay.

In court last Wednesday Mr Nevin told Judge Mary Devins that he had pulled over to allow traffic overtake him at the earliest point possible. However Gda John Daly insisted that Mr Nevin had passed six possible places before finally pulling-in.

Counsel for the accused argued that Mr Nevin -- an experienced Bus Eireann driver -- had an impeccable driving record and his livelihood would be compromised by a conviction under the Road Traffic Act.

However, Judge Devins convicted him, observing that Gda Daly "may be making history". She also remarked that Mr Nevin's "arrogance" was palpable in the courtroom.

Judge Devins said: "He didn't pull in and there were six places that he could have done so. I'm going to accept the evidence of the garda."

She convicted him under Section 51a of the Road Traffic Act which stipulates that due care and consideration for others must be exercised while driving.

Last night, the chairman of Mayo Irish Farmers Association, Martin Gavin, called on Mayo County Council to create the proper roadside infrastructure for members who, due to the closure of many marts, have been forced to drive long distances to sell their stock.

A council spokesman, however, said it does not have the resources to carry out such work, while the Road Safety Authority declined to comment on the matter, stating the issue was outside its remit.

The IFA's Martin Gavin said that he had "total sympathy" for the farmer.

"This issue is a major concern for farmers since an awful lot of marts around Mayo are closed down, so the infrastructure is not in place and they are forced to drive to Balla mart.

"If you are driving along the road and see some place -- you are thinking on your feet -- and you are also conscious of not slowing down too much. I have total sympathy for this man," said Mr Gavin.
 
#2 ·
Brilliant,absolutely brilliant!

QUOTE Last night, the chairman of Mayo Irish Farmers Association, Martin Gavin, called on Mayo County Council to create the proper roadside infrastructure for members who, due to the closure of many marts, have been forced to drive long distances to sell their stock.

Did you ever here such guff? An Irish solution to an Irish problem! He passed 6 places where he could have pulled in! I tip my hat to that guard.
 
#3 ·
I can't and won't defend the farmer that was convicted in that link, because fair enough the Gardai that were behind him counted numerous places he could have pulled in to let people by, but from a personal point of view, a lot of people in Ireland seem to be of the opinion that tractors and tractor drivers shouldnt be on the roads. Why is this?
I've spent a fair bit of time driving tractors pulling various implements on the roads both here and in England. A lot of people here are quite arrogant towards tractor drivers, if they get stuck behind one at all they will start flashing lights and blowing their horn, sticking their car out past the white line to tell you they want to get past you and you better pull over now. Now I pretty much always pull onto a hard shoulder when I can, but because of the infrastructure in this country there are a lot of occasions where I cant. Another point is, and it is related to the whole edging the car out thing, why do they have to drive so close to the back of the trailer? Do they not realise that we can't see them at all then, and mightn't even know they're there? If they stayed back a bit, theres a lot more chance of both us seeing them, and them being able to see cars oncoming.
While that case was obviously related to an incident on a main road, there needs to be an attitude change on meeting tractors on back roads aswell. If you meet a tractor on a narrow back road, and they clearly don't have space to pull in to let you by, please don't stay driving towards them, quietly telling them that they will have to reverse that 20ft trailer back down the road and around that bend until you can get past them. If it happens to me once more there is a high possibility of GBH.
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As I have said, Ive also done a fair bit of tractor driving in the UK, and the attitude over there is completely different. People in cars seem to recognise that tractors need to use the roads too, to get from place to place every now and again, and they don't seem to have a problem with that. Then again even the back roads over there regularly have laybys and recesses for large machinery, or cars that meet them, to pull in. Here we have the odd gateway thats got walls right to the road...

Rant over (for now
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#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
@ walter the being up ur arse thing is a "irish" thing,best way to overtake is to sit back in the follow position move out at the same speed to see the road then move past in one gear.....nice and safe,almost NO ONE does this over here. instead they stick up ur arse,cut out in a wild move just missing the nack of ur car and cut in in front of u,people do it for eveything thats slow infront of them.

it really piss's me off aswell

as for the farmer,the gards were right to do him
 
#6 ·
he was dead right not to pay the fine, his tractor was taxed and insured just like everyone else on the road, more power to him.
 
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I'm not denying they were right to prosecute him, but a ban? For making people drive slow? Come on.
 
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Many of the B roads we traveled in Europe had minimum speed limits,driving overly slow is just as much a hazard as driving fast.

I will concede a ban might be OTT,but the farmer already displayed his reluctance to pay a fine and there is no penalty point offense for driving slow in this country,i'm guessing driving without due care might have been a bit hard to make stick.

The ban is the judges decision,the guard was still spot on pulling him in and fining him.
 
#10 ·
i have done my fair share of tractor driving on the roads aswell. if a tractor is tax and insured you have the same right to be on the road as anyone in a car. in saying that i always pull in and let traffic off whenever i can. i know its a fecker to be stuck behind a tractor when your in a hurry but this dose not give people the right to flash and blow at you. as walterc said the amount of people that stay driving right up to you when they can see a tractor coming is unreal. i will never reverse for them. a tractor + trailer + load usual weight is about 15-25 tonn. dont think a car will push that out of the way lol. but i saying that there are some farmers that wont pull over either and thats wrong but i think the penelty that man recieved wa plain stupid. guys driving with no insurance get away with less!!!
 
#11 ·
Tractors are a problem in Ireland .Roads are a problem in Ireland .
This is just stupid though . The rules are made up in this country as we go
and bend to suit different people .I notice the judge was a lady .
Its illegal to drive in the hard shoulder , unless an emergency i thought .
So does not make any difference about due care and attention .

Poor solictor ,poor judge . But the farmer should have just paid the fine and then no problem !!!!!!!!
 
#12 ·
yeah heard about this a couple of weeks ago from a garda around that area... apparently the man was being a bit of a prick when he was pulled in as in he couldnt believe they had pulled him in for goin slow... but in fairness my opinion is that its slow drivers that cause most accidents on the road... if everyone drove at the speed limit then at least you would be moving at a decent speed if you were in a rush... ive seen some cars on main roads hold lines of 20-30 cars because they feel like driving at 40mph... id like to see more of those people get done aswell
 
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I get both sides of the arguement,

It can be very fustrating being stuck behind a tractor, truck, jcb anything that holds up traffic, especialy if its had plenty of chances to pull over and allow traffic by.. But then again if you need to move you tractor/truck etc, stopping and pulling over every few minutes is going to be a pain in the rocks...

Most times its alright and drivers give a little leaway to each other but I have seen mad cases of were a tractor won't pull over or someone acting the fcuk and driving like a mad man trying to overtake a tractor etc and only to get a little bit down the road, it can be dangerous for on comming traffic and serious crashes have happened in such cases...

And the roads in this country are a joke, there should be more places where you can pull in or the staggered over taking lanes like other countries have......
 
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QUOTE (Bohall @ Feb 11 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The ban was a bit harsh IMO and the judge was out of line with his personal comments.

Most farmers pull in no bother.

The Judge was a she,and i don't see how she was out of line if the man was arrogant in court he was arrogant and deserved it,the fact he refused to pay the fine shows a certain level of arrogance.

He was banned for non payment of fine not the holding up of traffic,what would be a fitting punishment for non payment? he is not above the laws of the land!
 
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As I said already, I can't defend the man because I don't know the full details of the situation, as none of us do. None of us were at the scene and none of us were at the court case (I presume
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). Maybe his attitude in court was out of order, thats the judges decision at the end of the day.
I would honestly be inclined to think that the Judge had a chip on her shoulder over being stuck behind a tractor before or something, buts thats a whole other days work.

All I'm trying to get across, is for anyone out there that has an attitude towards tractors on the road, and drive aggressively around them, to please cop the fuck on. You make our life easy and we'll make yours easy
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I have no problem trying to be as courteous as possible to cars on the road when I'm on a tractor, so long as they give me a chance to be courteous
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I always check that my trailer lights are all working, and I do my best to ensure I have a working amber flashing light on the tractor, simply because I've lost count of the amount of times I've had cars dangerously overtake me, dangerously undertake me while I'm about to turn into a field, and almost drive into me while coming too fast around a bend on a country road. I've had no accidents yet, and I don't want any
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QUOTE (walterc @ Feb 11 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As I said already, I can't defend the man because I don't know the full details of the situation, as none of us do. None of us were at the scene and none of us were at the court case (I presume
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). Maybe his attitude in court was out of order, thats the judges decision at the end of the day.
I would honestly be inclined to think that the Judge had a chip on her shoulder over being stuck behind a tractor before or something, buts thats a whole other days work.

All I'm trying to get across, is for anyone out there that has an attitude towards tractors on the road, and drive aggressively around them, to please cop the fuck on. You make our life easy and we'll make yours easy
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I have no problem trying to be as courteous as possible to cars on the road when I'm on a tractor, so long as they give me a chance to be courteous
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I always check that my trailer lights are all working, and I do my best to ensure I have a working amber flashing light on the tractor, simply because I've lost count of the amount of times I've had cars dangerously overtake me, dangerously undertake me while I'm about to turn into a field, and almost drive into me while coming too fast around a bend on a country road. I've had no accidents yet, and I don't want any
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QUOTE (Shane @ Feb 11 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Judge was a she,and i don't see how she was out of line if the man was arrogant in court he was arrogant and deserved it,the fact he refused to pay the fine shows a certain level of arrogance.

He was banned for non payment of fine not the holding up of traffic,what would be a fitting punishment for non payment? he is not above the laws of the land!

Well the judge must have been on the blob and in some foul humour i recon!

The fact that he didnt pay the fine was his way of protesting at the whole idea of the thing. 6 points and a bigger fine or mseize his tractor till he pays the fine would have been suffice, they've done that before in cases.

I know he's not above the laws of the land but it seems he got made an example of for all the time the judge got held up in traffic by tractors!
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#21 ·
Whichever way you look at it, there is no clear cut guideline or law which states what he was supposed to do. I think other countries have a law stating 6 or 8 car tailback means you are required to pull in.

I think the ban was harsh, but the precendent needs to be set to allow a law like above to be implemented. I'm sure it will get reduced upon appeal due to his livelihood.
 
#22 ·
Geo will tel ya about the joys of slow tractors. We had a nice scare one night on the M7 when we met one just after Newbridge in the slow lane doing about 20 mph without a light in sight in the pitch black

pant's filling moment
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As for this case. The guy refused to pay the fine. He deserves a harsher punishment. A year ban might be a bit excessive.
 
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QUOTE (Bohall @ Feb 11 2009, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well the judge must have been on the blob and in some foul humour i recon!

The fact that he didnt pay the fine was his way of protesting at the whole idea of the thing. 6 points and a bigger fine or mseize his tractor till he pays the fine would have been suffice, they've done that before in cases.

I know he's not above the laws of the land but it seems he got made an example of for all the time the judge got held up in traffic by tractors!
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Ah you are just being silly now barry.He got stopped by a guard for taking the piss he passed 6 possible places to pull in.he got a fine didn't even get points he should have taken the punishment like a man and paid up,but no he had the arrogance to think he was above the law of the land - he is not,he went to court and by all accounts brought his arrogance with him so naturally the judge is going to go to town on him - He deserves the ban.

Also after doing a little digging i found the following

QUOTE The Mayo News understands that there has been at least one previous such conviction in the county, under Section 51a of the Road Traffic Act, but there was only a fine imposed in this case.

QUOTE The infrastructure is so poor and it is a problem that must be addressed. I'm calling on the County Council to provide lay-bys - ten or 20 feet is no good for tractors and trailers. Safety must be considered," he also said, adding that farmers 'already have enough to worry about'.

These guys are living in a dream world the country is on its knees and they want the county council to go round constructing lay bys for them,do they think they are the only ones affected by the recession? the rest of us have plenty to worry about too!

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#24 · (Edited by Moderator)
@ Dec: In that case I would have done my best to get the registration of the tractor, tractors are not allowed on motorways here. Its idiots like that that give the rest of us a bad name.
edit: just checked and the minimum speed for a motorway here is 50kmph, there are plenty of tractors in this country with 50k gearboxes so technically maybe they are allowed. However the fact he had no lights on the rear is unforgivable and a messy headline waiting to happen. On a sidenote, it also says that vehicles that do not use inflated tyres are not allowed on the motorway. Would this include run-flats?

@Shane: Would you not agree though, that all the roads that were built/improved during the "good times" should have had some sort of thought put into them with regards to agriculture and road safety?
 
#25 ·
every morning on the malahide road for years you couldn't leave at 7.30am cause you'd hit "tractor traffic" caused huge tail backs,
the same guy, every morning, never once saw him pull over for anyone.
I wonder what happend to him, im guessing it can't be good
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QUOTE (walterc @ Feb 11 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Shane: Would you not agree though, that all the roads that were built/improved during the "good times" should have had some sort of thought put into them with regards to agriculture and road safety?

I would agree the majority of B roads in this country did not see a penny of the good times money,to this day it amazes and puzzles me that i can drive 2 mins from my door at 100kph on some of the worst roads in Europe but yet on the 3 lane motorway into our capital city i can only do the same 100kmph and on stretches of the M50,N11 etc i can't even do that speed.
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