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Dangerous Driving ?

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Was caught speeding this morning at 7.50 and got told I was being prosecuted for dangerous driving by the Garda because I was going well over the limit (110 in 60 )

He told me I'd be going to court but didn't say anything else .....Whats likely to happen now ?

Points and a fine probably ?
 
#3 ·
Dangerous driving is 5 points along with the 2 points for speeding afaik.

And a big fine.

110 mph??.
 
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#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
This is a uk site but worth a read Clicky

If I was you id call to the station that guard is from and have a chat with him,
(as painfull and sickening as that would be)
he probably wont be able to stop the court thing but at least he would be on
your side on the day if it does happen

did you realise that you were doing that speed
or was your speedo not working
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QUOTE (DonalM @ Aug 27 2011, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Dangerous driving is 5 points along with the 2 points for speeding afaik. And a big fine. 110 mph??.

110kph id say Donal.

100mph + means automatically off the road afaik!
 
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#6 ·
I'd agree with Wesley, chat to the gaurd and grovel like feck, free tea for life, the use of your girlfriend on alternate weekends etc.
 
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QUOTE (jonnyfsi @ Aug 27 2011, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>110kph id say Donal.

100mph + means automatically off the road afaik!
A lot of it is down to the guard you meet on the day. Some can be fair and you get a fine and points while toerhs go to town on you and try and give you the 12 points if they can find any extras to clock them up with and some will take you to court.

This case may end up in court or it may not. You could just get the fine and points in the post and that might be the end of it. Course it could go the court route and still end up with a fine and points but no idea how many.
 
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that is dangerous driving, i'm no angel but you were doing nearly the motorway limit in what i can only assume was a partially built up area, you're stopping distance would be 4 times what someone doing the limit would be. if you were in the uk you would be banned and have to resit your test at your age.
 
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QUOTE (dub lover @ Aug 27 2011, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it aint dangerous driving unless you are doing over double the speed limit. Was told this by a guard before.
That and if there were other factors too. Like tailgating or dangerous overtaking or lane swapping, crossing continuous lines etc. Usually when you get caught for speeding its a fine and points and can lead to court depending on the speed. Being smart or cheeky with them will almost guarantee you a trip to court.
 
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QUOTE (mikeymc93 @ Aug 27 2011, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Was caught speeding this morning at 7.50 and got told I was being prosecuted for dangerous driving by the Garda because I was going well over the limit (110 in 60 )

He told me I'd be going to court but didn't say anything else .....Whats likely to happen now ?

Points and a fine probably ?
sweat it out till you get the fine in the door, it may never go to court, most guards i have experienced tag the "dangerous driving" law along too. I was told i was lucky not to have a dangerous driving charge basically because i accelerated into high revs out of a round about. Just wait it out and try not stress jus yet, it may never happen.
 
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#12 ·
I dont know our system is fucked up, I had a jeep follow me out of Mullingar tonight with there full lights on because I slowed down for the bumps, they were right up in my bumper, to me that is dangerous driving, Even when I slowed down to 10mph to let them go by they stuck behind me, but if I rang up and complained it would be near impossible to have them prosecuted, If I jam on for any reason it would have ended in them rear ending me, Plus I could see nothing in front of me. That is dangerous driving to me.

110kph is what 65 mph?? depends where it was if it was in a partially built up area well then its your own fault do what you can but you cant really complain, but I know of 3 local roads that were downgraded from 100kph to 60 on certain sections and they are dead straight, in the middle of nowhere and have hard shoulders, the camera van sits there constantly, Thats a money making scheme if I ever saw one.
 
#13 ·
Sit it out and wait for the fine to drop through your door. If its €80 and two points pay it, if its dangerous driving get a solicitor.
 
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#15 ·
I wouldn't worry too much about it, when I wasstopped for speeding( I was 18 and an idiot, floored it out of a corner on a 100k road and kept the foot in it) I was told by the guards if I hadn't turned off for home I would have gotten away with it and when I asked what's my best case I was told 'ha, you get to keep your licence' was told I was going to court for dangerous driving etc, was absolutely bricking it, two weeks later 2 points and 80 euro fine. But calling the guard and having a shit hot excuse wouldn't be a bad idea. or else being totally honest. luck of the draw which one works.
 
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#16 ·
Trying not to sound like a keyboard warrior but what were you doing 110kmh for? And in a 60km zone!? If it goes to court the judge is likely to make an example of you. 10kmph over the national limit, there is no getting away from that fact.

Have you a full or provisional licence?
 
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#17 · (Edited by Moderator)
If he used the phrase "dangerous driving" then get a solicitor. End of.

Points are secondary concern. Dangerous driving if that is what goes on the summons means judge will decide to take your license or not and that has nothing to do whether you have 12 points or not.
It is as serious as it can get and don't kid yourself that it isn't.
Was it traffic squad or just a Garda?
Where did it happen?
Much other traffic?
Road conditions and road type?

Harsh as it may seem if you were travelling at nearly twice the limit then you've ran the risk so the penalty could be severe.

"Careless driving

Careless driving is covered by Section 52(1) of the 1961 Road Traffic Act and involves driving in public place "without due care and attention". Again, there is no statutory definition of due care and attention but generally it is the standard of care that a reasonably prudent driver should exercise while driving.

There are generally 3 defences:

1. Automatism

2. Duress

3. Mechanical defect.

Penalties can run up to a fine of ÂŁ2000 and 3 months imprisonment, 5 penalty points and a possible disqualification which is discretionary on the first offence and mandatory on second or subsequent offences.

Dangerous driving

This is covered by Section 53(1) of the Road Traffic Act, 1961 and involves driving in a manner which a prudent person would recognise as involving an unjustifiable risk of harm to the public.

Defences to this offence are the same ones set out above for careless driving.

Penalties

Penalties for dangerous driving will depend on whether bodily harm or death has arisen as a result of the driving. If this is the case the offence will be prosecuted on indictment in the higher courts.

If not, it will be prosecuted in the District Court.

Penalties depend on the seriousness of the case and circumstances and so on and can range up to a ÂŁ20,000 fine, up to 10 years imprisonment on indictment (6 months in District Court), endorsement on your licence and disqualification from driving.

For a first offence in the District Court you will be disqualified for 2 years; a first offence on indictment will lead to automatic disqualification for at least 4 years.
This is part of the road traffic offences series on this site."
Edit: I just found the above after a google search.

Finally, my intention is not to shock nor be harsh but I'm just trying to be objective and not offer false hope.
I'm neither a Garda nor solicitor either but I've read and heard enough stories. Again, it's down to the phrase and if dangerous you're best advised to take onboard the above and seek legal help. Better to start there than hope you'll get a soft fine.
 
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#18 ·
i got done for driving without due care and attention all my fault really! a nice junction and an e30.......
was blessed i knew the guard but it still didnt stop the 2500e fine and 2 points.
i count myself lucky not to be banned! if you know any guards in high places get onto them!
 
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QUOTE (leegfarrell @ Aug 28 2011, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i got done for driving without due care and attention all my fault really! a nice junction and an e30.......
was blessed i knew the guard but it still didnt stop the 2500e fine and 2 points.
i count myself lucky not to be banned! if you know any guards in high places get onto them!

I was brought to court for dangerous driving but was convicted of careless and got 5 points and 300 euro fine.

If your convicted of dangerous its ban. You cant just get points when convicted.
 
#20 ·
As abovespeak to a solicator
Also if it goes to court it may be dropped downto careless driving on the day
 
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#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (dub lover @ Aug 27 2011, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it aint dangerous driving unless you are doing over double the speed limit. Was told this by a guard before.

On Traffic blues there was a guy arrested for dangerous driving on his motorbike for doing 190kmhr on the M4 which is 120kmhr, that's not twice the limit. Don't you have to be arrested for dangerous driving?
 
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QUOTE (tango @ Aug 27 2011, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that is dangerous driving, i'm no angel but you were doing nearly the motorway limit in what i can only assume was a partially built up area, you're stopping distance would be 4 times what someone doing the limit would be. if you were in the uk you would be banned and have to resit your test at your age.

I was couple hundred metres from the partially built up area when my speed was clocked afaik .... I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses but it was on a good main road without another car in sight at the time , if I wasn't late for work I would have probably still been over the limit by a little bit .

I've only had the full licence with a month and the guard was surprised when he saw that I had the full licence and when I told him it was my own car .

I've definitely learned my lesson anyway . I've noticed everywhere I drive now I'm being tailgated and passed out at every opportunity even though id be on the limit

All I can do now is talk to people in high places and beg to be let off easy !
 
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QUOTE (dubcore @ Aug 28 2011, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I know someone that was caught doing 106km per hour in a 50km per hour zone and he got 2 points and a €80 fine in the post.

The guard did not say anything about court, all he said was that 2 points and an €80 fine would be issued.

The fine was paid and issued was sorted.
The guard was actually very nice and I tried to be as co operative as possible with him but the words he used were he was " prosecuting me for dangerous driving " I didn't know what that meant but when I asked he just said you'll be going to court .
 
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