the roads are shit...thats why, you cant say dont use it as a excuse when we have some of the most badly looked after roads in the EU.

 

Seriously i spent 3 days stancing that bloody lupo and nowhere to be seen

From what i've witnessed your roads aren't much worse than the UK so can't really be used as an excuse.
Half the time it seems you just have no commitement to making a proper car (flame suit fully fitted)

 

QUOTE (mugly @ Sep 24 2010, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Half the time it seems you just have no commitement to making a proper car (flame suit fully fitted)

id agree with you on that alright! but still i think the roads play a big part, well they do for me, id love to have to B4 right down and looking mean....but then again i also like to drive it on and that would just be gone if i was low.

 

I'd love to have my car stanced properly, my only excuse is I'm too cheap to buy a new set of coilovers for the vr to replace the seized ones.

oh and the vr6 sump sits far too low, and no, I can't raise it due to the charger piping.

MK2 will hopefully have coilovers on soon and then I can get it sitting a little better.

I'll get there someday, although I don't think I'd ever be able to run either of my two near as low as your bora, I tend to drive pretty hard down the back roads and just couldn't deal with broken sumps and all that bollox.

 

Shane we all know a proper driving car isn't about being on its arse and that i'm fine with but it's the other guys and girls that aren't into handling/proper drivng that i just can't seem to fathom out about having a half decent stance/wheel fitment/drop

 

QUOTE (Razor @ Sep 24 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>id agree with you on that alright! but still i think the roads play a big part, well they do for me, id love to have to B4 right down and looking mean....but then again i also like to drive it on and that would just be gone if i was low.

You don't have to go stupidly low to look good IMO and you'd still be able to push it on.

 

Would love to have a class stance, but you need alot of money and then couldnt really use the car for a daily.

 

Walter have you ever put a heavily lowered (for a few years) Irish car up on a lift, torch in hand?
It kills the underneath and basically the chassis here 'stancin'; front underside chassis rails, sills, floors and front subframe all take a massive hammering.
If you intend on driving it rather than just looking at it, its not really feasible...

 

QUOTE (ColinMk4 @ Sep 24 2010, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Would love to have a class stance, but you need alot of money and then couldnt really use the car for a daily.

That is a common misconception widely used these days, you can stance a car using a tiny budget...all about measurements and calculations and bargain hunting

 

Stance = Shite handling.

Thats a good of reason for me to be honest.

 

Less of that Mr Mugly

I think it's a few reason - time, planning, know how, money, fear of running crap geometry and ruining cars drive-ability. I suspect other simple reasons, from a practical perspective they don't want to chew tyres and arches and want to be able to carry rear passengers!

When done right like alfas then it not only looks good but is flexible to over come the downsides mentioned above.

 

Listen, I've worked the last 4 summers in Essex, and the roads are marginally better than Ireland. And i mean very marginally. The roads in Ireland are improving by the day, with more motorways being opened etc, but coming from a point of view of spending a lot of time of the year in both countries, the difference isn't that big once you go rural. For example, my journey to work in england at the mo takes approx 15 mins, first of all i scrape subframe on average 5/6 times every morning/evening, secondly thats the long route as i cant go the short route without scraping 30 plus times. So don't use irish roads as an excuse.
I think mugly is right, the Irish don't have the dedication. They'll look at picture threads, and think how cool stuff is, etc etc, but they just don't have the balls to follow up.

 

QUOTE (Brian.G @ Sep 24 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stance = Shite handling.

Thats a good of reason for me to be honest.

Your opinion and yes your right to a degree but not everyone is after a car that handles like it's on rails or drives their car like they stole it every second they're in it

 

QUOTE (mugly @ Sep 24 2010, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That is a common misconception widely used these days, you can stance a car using a tiny budget...all about measurements and calculations and bargain hunting

How much so? A good set of coils 1k, spacers etc so your looking at 1500euro, which is alot if people outa work. I had cheap coils before they were ok but wouldnt put them on my anni.

 

QUOTE (Mike @ Sep 24 2010, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Less of that Mr Mugly

When done right like alfas then it not only looks good but is flexible to over come the downsides mentioned above.

Alan's car is a perfect example for me, he has full on practicality with the air ride for stancing at shows but as i've witnessed 1st hand he doesn't use it as an excuse to run at 4x4 height when driving...he runs it low for driving too

 

QUOTE (ColinMk4 @ Sep 24 2010, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How much so? A good set of coils 1k, spacers etc so your looking at 1500euro, which is alot if people outa work. I had cheap coils before they were ok but wouldnt put them on my anni.

Seriously how is a set of coils weighing in at 1k??
I've had a set of so called proper coilovers and tbh they rode like shite. I too have had a fair few cheap sets and had no issues at all, but then i don't drive like Colin Mcrae anymore

For a half decent ride and look a set of £200 coils are fine, spacers are say £40/50 and wheels whatever you can decide to afford.
All about hunting for bargains and measuring as i've said before.

 

If i have a decent car with a the underside in decent knick to start off with, I am not going to kill it for a, possibly fleeting, trend. Thats just me....
I love old Dubs and dont feel like murdering them.

 

Without asking Alan the blunt question, it must have cost him a reasonable amount but if someone doesn't plan on keeping car for long is it worth the investment in time and money?

 

QUOTE (mugly @ Sep 24 2010, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously how is a set of coils weighing in at 1k??
I've had a set of so called proper coilovers and tbh they rode like shite. I too have had a fair few cheap sets and had no issues at all, but then i don't drive like Colin Mcrae anymore

For a half decent ride and look a set of £200 coils are fine, spacers are say £40/50 and wheels whatever you can decide to afford.
All about hunting for bargains and measuring as i've said before.

H&R coils, now im not up to speed with coils havnt looked into them so maybe you can get better cheaper.

 

Stance.... Pffft! I honestly wish I was stanced, but I'm not!

My jetta will be doh, eventually and as Mugly described, on a budget!

 

QUOTE (ColinMk4 @ Sep 24 2010, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>H&R coils, now im not up to speed with coils havnt looked into them so maybe you can get better cheaper.

Much cheaper alternatives to H&R.
Problem is it's going to end up in the same stale arguement as the die hard driving fans are getting their knickers in a twist about something they have no interest in.

I'm not holding a personal grudge against the republic btw

Same goes for anyone who wants a decent stance but has no drive to sort it because they think it's too expensive/hard etc etc

 

Stance.... Pffft! I honestly wish I was stanced, but I'm not!

My jetta will be doh, eventually and as Mugly described, on a budget!

 

Look, if you do your research you won't be spending 1k on suspension and 400 on spacers. Christ for not much more than that you'd have a basic air setup. If you are really into your wheels you'll know where and how to look for bargains, if you're really into your suspension and handling you'll be pushing big power and going to track days regularly... What i'm talking about is your day to day dubs, anywhere from 50 to 200 bhp, nothing spectacular, the owners love looking at pic threads online and buy the mags regularly but won't commit.
And i will repeat, stance isn't just about lowness and scraping, take for example Cliffs red Corrado VR on Compomotives, great stance imo.

 

QUOTE (mugly @ Sep 24 2010, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously how is a set of coils weighing in at 1k??

Mine did, Weitec hicon gtx for the golf.

I plan on having some sort of stance, but I need to get my arches rolled and some new tyres. Not going to be too low, just minimal arch gap. I'm running 16x9 et10 (due to 20mm spacers) at the rear and 16x8.5 up front I don't know the et because the barrells were changed on them to make them 8.5 rather thasn 9. I plan on getting 195/45 for the rears and 205/45 for the front and lower it another inch. Plans put on hold so I could get my dslr and do some courses. Maybe by the new year.

The main reason we shy away from proper stancing is we're not bothered dealing with the hasssle of planning safe routes and learning to drive a low car. Maybe if we all could afford air we would stance more. Thats just my opinion.

 

What a nonsense thread,what is 'stance' and how do you define it? also who cares if we can't do it as a nation...

White men can't jump,the Irish can't 'stance' can the English hurl?

i'm off to listen to my 'now thats what i call stance 42 tape'