Another Speed Camera Van Bites The Dust (donegal)
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In fairness that one in donegal had good reason to be there.... but burning them out is pointless tbh! All the company will do is claim off the insurance and get a new van out on the road.
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I would be severely perturbed if people could in any way shape or form condone this. Regardless of people be put upon, driving your car within the speed limits is basic to driving. We don't have an Autobahn culture or anything like that to look back on. Speeding kills people. That is a truism.
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Its pointless, all that will happen is they will claim insurance and replace it. Then if it continues they will have Garda escorts that will not only cost the tax payer money but will drag limited resources away from proper crime. As much as I dont like the vans and feel they are a fish in the barrel approach at times there is a simple solution and thats not to break speed limits. If the guy in it hadnt gotten out it would be a murder investigation all because someone feels doing 10 over the limit is a god given right
I'm on the fence on this one to be honest. Obviously no harm should ever come to the guy in the van. Hes just there to do his days work and I've heard reports that they are on minimum wage and the company are not the model employers. As I said this is what I've heard and I cannot deny or confirm the truth in it.
As for the van burning, the motorist in this country has been exploited for years. From the high tax on fuel to the VRT to high road tax to high insurance.
We now have a situation where people are genuinely in trouble regarding money. Ordinary people whos income has been slashed or eradicated. They see these camera vans setting up on roads where people are easy targets. I have yet to see one in a place where it's a genuinely dangerous section of road.
Now in this country we are always too laid back when change happens that we disapprove of. Look at the French for instance, when they strike or they disagree with a government policy they go mad, and not in their own area either. They go to the rich areas and go mad where it has the most impact.
Now Irish people are making a stand at something they disapprove of. Is it a step too far? Possibly yes. But I'd prefer to see people standing up for something they believe in and doing something about it.
Remember the pensioners? The government said they were going to cut the pension, thousands of the elderly marched on yeh Dail and the pension was untouched. That is a generation who stand up for themselves. We now have a generation who lie down and have a good moan about it.
Yes the vans will be replaced by insurance but it a message too. Personally I'd like to see the driver/operator of the van let out and given a taxi home and all vans burn to the fucking ground.
Or keep the vans and put the points only on peoples licences. No fine but if you continue to speed then your insurance will increase and you'll only have yourself to blame.
As for the van burning, the motorist in this country has been exploited for years. From the high tax on fuel to the VRT to high road tax to high insurance.
We now have a situation where people are genuinely in trouble regarding money. Ordinary people whos income has been slashed or eradicated. They see these camera vans setting up on roads where people are easy targets. I have yet to see one in a place where it's a genuinely dangerous section of road.
Now in this country we are always too laid back when change happens that we disapprove of. Look at the French for instance, when they strike or they disagree with a government policy they go mad, and not in their own area either. They go to the rich areas and go mad where it has the most impact.
Now Irish people are making a stand at something they disapprove of. Is it a step too far? Possibly yes. But I'd prefer to see people standing up for something they believe in and doing something about it.
Remember the pensioners? The government said they were going to cut the pension, thousands of the elderly marched on yeh Dail and the pension was untouched. That is a generation who stand up for themselves. We now have a generation who lie down and have a good moan about it.
Yes the vans will be replaced by insurance but it a message too. Personally I'd like to see the driver/operator of the van let out and given a taxi home and all vans burn to the fucking ground.
Or keep the vans and put the points only on peoples licences. No fine but if you continue to speed then your insurance will increase and you'll only have yourself to blame.
QUOTE (Plane @ Apr 10 2011, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm on the fence on this one to be honest. Obviously no harm should ever come to the guy in the van. Hes just there to do his days work and I've heard reports that they are on minimum wage and the company are not the model employers. As I said this is what I've heard and I cannot deny or confirm the truth in it.
As for the van burning, the motorist in this country has been exploited for years. From the high tax on fuel to the VRT to high road tax to high insurance.
We now have a situation where people are genuinely in trouble regarding money. Ordinary people whos income has been slashed or eradicated. They see these camera vans setting up on roads where people are easy targets. I have yet to see one in a place where it's a genuinely dangerous section of road.
Now in this country we are always too laid back when change happens that we disapprove of. Look at the French for instance, when they strike or they disagree with a government policy they go mad, and not in their own area either. They go to the rich areas and go mad where it has the most impact.
Now Irish people are making a stand at something they disapprove of. Is it a step too far? Possibly yes. But I'd prefer to see people standing up for something they believe in and doing something about it.
Remember the pensioners? The government said they were going to cut the pension, thousands of the elderly marched on yeh Dail and the pension was untouched. That is a generation who stand up for themselves. We now have a generation who lie down and have a good moan about it.
Yes the vans will be replaced by insurance but it a message too. Personally I'd like to see the driver/operator of the van let out and given a taxi home and all vans burn to the fucking ground.
Or keep the vans and put the points only on peoples licences. No fine but if you continue to speed then your insurance will increase and you'll only have yourself to blame.
agreed 100% Paul, nobody wants to see anyone get hurt etc, but as i said in a previous post, GoSafe need to review their policies, yes it is shooting fish in a barrel, claiming on their insurance policy for burnt out vans will hike the price and the common man and woman will be hit yet again, why dont the insurance company tell them to fudge off and ask why 3 or 4 of these vans are being targeted......
As for the van burning, the motorist in this country has been exploited for years. From the high tax on fuel to the VRT to high road tax to high insurance.
We now have a situation where people are genuinely in trouble regarding money. Ordinary people whos income has been slashed or eradicated. They see these camera vans setting up on roads where people are easy targets. I have yet to see one in a place where it's a genuinely dangerous section of road.
Now in this country we are always too laid back when change happens that we disapprove of. Look at the French for instance, when they strike or they disagree with a government policy they go mad, and not in their own area either. They go to the rich areas and go mad where it has the most impact.
Now Irish people are making a stand at something they disapprove of. Is it a step too far? Possibly yes. But I'd prefer to see people standing up for something they believe in and doing something about it.
Remember the pensioners? The government said they were going to cut the pension, thousands of the elderly marched on yeh Dail and the pension was untouched. That is a generation who stand up for themselves. We now have a generation who lie down and have a good moan about it.
Yes the vans will be replaced by insurance but it a message too. Personally I'd like to see the driver/operator of the van let out and given a taxi home and all vans burn to the fucking ground.
Or keep the vans and put the points only on peoples licences. No fine but if you continue to speed then your insurance will increase and you'll only have yourself to blame.
agreed 100% Paul, nobody wants to see anyone get hurt etc, but as i said in a previous post, GoSafe need to review their policies, yes it is shooting fish in a barrel, claiming on their insurance policy for burnt out vans will hike the price and the common man and woman will be hit yet again, why dont the insurance company tell them to fudge off and ask why 3 or 4 of these vans are being targeted......
I actually disagree Paul, every other country in europe gives a fine and points that I am aware of. Ive actually seen the French police drag a guy out of a car and impose the fine on the spot no questions asked. Just because we are ina recession is no reason to drop the fine.
Whilst its a touch shooting fish in a barrel and some of the locations are dubious with regards the official speed limit, if your not speeding then you wont get points or a fine simple as.
I have a issue with where some are posted (ie the way into Carrick where the speed limit drops suddenly is one to mind) but others Ive seen are fine (outside the school in Celbridge, my mate was caught as I drove behind him!) and in fact I wish they would put it on the Clane road at night and get some of the idiots who use it as a drag strip with stupid bean can exhausts bouncing off the limiter.
Maybe Im getting old but burning vans out will achieve nothing. It is much better to mount a serious lobby to the transport minister over proper taxation and road funding (repair/maintenance/speed limits etc) than burning some guy out of it thats doing his job. At the very least it'll be replaced by insurance, next itll have a Garda escort and further to that we'll have the Gardai manning them.
I know it s a motoring site and a lot of people here wont agree with me but thats how I feel lads sorry
Whilst its a touch shooting fish in a barrel and some of the locations are dubious with regards the official speed limit, if your not speeding then you wont get points or a fine simple as.
I have a issue with where some are posted (ie the way into Carrick where the speed limit drops suddenly is one to mind) but others Ive seen are fine (outside the school in Celbridge, my mate was caught as I drove behind him!) and in fact I wish they would put it on the Clane road at night and get some of the idiots who use it as a drag strip with stupid bean can exhausts bouncing off the limiter.
Maybe Im getting old but burning vans out will achieve nothing. It is much better to mount a serious lobby to the transport minister over proper taxation and road funding (repair/maintenance/speed limits etc) than burning some guy out of it thats doing his job. At the very least it'll be replaced by insurance, next itll have a Garda escort and further to that we'll have the Gardai manning them.
I know it s a motoring site and a lot of people here wont agree with me but thats how I feel lads sorry
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I know it s a motoring site and a lot of people here wont agree with me but thats how I feel lads sorry
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Your entitled to your opinion Mike, it would be a boring world if we were all the same.
I agree that no harm should come to the guy thats operating it.
I am aware of other countries and the French no nonsense approach and I've seen it. Although it's way over the top the people expect it from them.
A recession is not the reason why people should burn these things out but they are taking the piss. Yes Garda should or vans should be out in the clane road where there are cars racing and making noise and speeding. But they are sitting 200m down the road in a station on their arse or the van is positioned somewhere its easier to catch a large volume of cars, now thats not right either.
Im pleased to see people taking a stand against something that introduced poorly. By poorly in this case I mean by the fact that speed limits were not reviewed as we have speed limits in areas that are not appropriate.
The more I think about it I would like to see more vans burnt out or at least filled with expandable foam like they do in england to speed cameras.
I know it s a motoring site and a lot of people here wont agree with me but thats how I feel lads sorry
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Your entitled to your opinion Mike, it would be a boring world if we were all the same.
I agree that no harm should come to the guy thats operating it.
I am aware of other countries and the French no nonsense approach and I've seen it. Although it's way over the top the people expect it from them.
A recession is not the reason why people should burn these things out but they are taking the piss. Yes Garda should or vans should be out in the clane road where there are cars racing and making noise and speeding. But they are sitting 200m down the road in a station on their arse or the van is positioned somewhere its easier to catch a large volume of cars, now thats not right either.
Im pleased to see people taking a stand against something that introduced poorly. By poorly in this case I mean by the fact that speed limits were not reviewed as we have speed limits in areas that are not appropriate.
The more I think about it I would like to see more vans burnt out or at least filled with expandable foam like they do in england to speed cameras.
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Sorry - but I cannot see why being law-abiding is somehow compromised with BS talk of insurance replacing the vans and this and that. I can think of loads of the finer points of law that are being flouted other than traffic laws. We compromise our citizenship by rationalising breaking the law for this and that reason - this is not a civil disobedience issue. If these eejits keep it up they will undoubtedly injure the driver/operator at some point, if not kill someone.
The use of speed cameras is a contentious issue to be sure --- why not use our forum's strength in numbers to generate an online petition about this and send it to ALL TDs.
In fact - I think the membership strength of this forum can be leveraged on a number of contentious motoring issues. We should be pro-active in making our membership heard on issues of motoring in Ireland. We have a polling system built into the forum - would anybody be interested in doing this? I'll volunteer to help....
The use of speed cameras is a contentious issue to be sure --- why not use our forum's strength in numbers to generate an online petition about this and send it to ALL TDs.
In fact - I think the membership strength of this forum can be leveraged on a number of contentious motoring issues. We should be pro-active in making our membership heard on issues of motoring in Ireland. We have a polling system built into the forum - would anybody be interested in doing this? I'll volunteer to help....
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I totally agree with Paul.
Look at certain areas of UK, doing a u-turn on them as they made not difference. Put it this way, little or no money will be spent on the roads, especially re-occuring dangerous areas. To be honest if you knew that once serious areas were targeted and money collected used wisely, but be sure it won't.
Even look at the "SPIN" in the media advertising the cameras as being in areas where people have died, which is clearly not fully the case. The speed cameras are the lazy way out and ultimately will not fix anything.
Look at the news tonight about motorways, I suppose due to the level of accidents will not mean extra cameras on it......moist of the clips were of people going the wrong direction (-xxxmph).
Look at certain areas of UK, doing a u-turn on them as they made not difference. Put it this way, little or no money will be spent on the roads, especially re-occuring dangerous areas. To be honest if you knew that once serious areas were targeted and money collected used wisely, but be sure it won't.
Even look at the "SPIN" in the media advertising the cameras as being in areas where people have died, which is clearly not fully the case. The speed cameras are the lazy way out and ultimately will not fix anything.
Look at the news tonight about motorways, I suppose due to the level of accidents will not mean extra cameras on it......moist of the clips were of people going the wrong direction (-xxxmph).
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QUOTE (americanpaddy @ Apr 11 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry - but I cannot see why being law-abiding is somehow compromised with BS talk of insurance replacing the vans and this and that. I can think of loads of the finer points of law that are being flouted other than traffic laws. We compromise our citizenship by rationalising breaking the law for this and that reason - this is not a civil disobedience issue. If these eejits keep it up they will undoubtedly injure the driver/operator at some point, if not kill someone.
The use of speed cameras is a contentious issue to be sure --- why not use our forum's strength in numbers to generate an online petition about this and send it to ALL TDs.
In fact - I think the membership strength of this forum can be leveraged on a number of contentious motoring issues. We should be pro-active in making our membership heard on issues of motoring in Ireland. We have a polling system built into the forum - would anybody be interested in doing this? I'll volunteer to help....
Irish drivers association, lobby group who have been campaigning for many years. Cant see where we could succeed better than they. But i do agree that we need to shout loud,not destroy property and endanger human life.
http://www.irishdrivers.org/
I have yet to see a van in a bad spot but yet i havent been nailed by them either. Drive smart obey the law(mostly
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The use of speed cameras is a contentious issue to be sure --- why not use our forum's strength in numbers to generate an online petition about this and send it to ALL TDs.
In fact - I think the membership strength of this forum can be leveraged on a number of contentious motoring issues. We should be pro-active in making our membership heard on issues of motoring in Ireland. We have a polling system built into the forum - would anybody be interested in doing this? I'll volunteer to help....
Irish drivers association, lobby group who have been campaigning for many years. Cant see where we could succeed better than they. But i do agree that we need to shout loud,not destroy property and endanger human life.
http://www.irishdrivers.org/
I have yet to see a van in a bad spot but yet i havent been nailed by them either. Drive smart obey the law(mostly
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